While the medical concerns with incest don’t apply here, the stigma of having sexual relations with a relative usually doesn’t take such technicalities into account.
I’m not sure what biological stigma is supposed to mean. Sexual relations between siblings gives most people the ick regardless of technicalities, and that is a social stigma, the only kind of stigma I’m aware of.
I think that’s all shit we are taught. In highschool there was a brother and sister in the grade above me that were notoriously very clingy with each other and their parents didn’t let them take sex ed because that class needed parental sign off and the bible was the only teacher they needed or some stupid shit. Anyway they were seen fucking in the storage room when extra chairs were needed for an event. People just passed it off as twins stuff before, then after it was twins stuff
“Biological stigma” would refer to the effects of having an incestuous child.
“Social stigma” would refer to the sexual relationship between people in a close familial relationship, which is clearly not the case since they had no prior relationship.
Since these men wouldn’t fall under either category, what other stigma is there?
I don’t think we’re using the same definition of stigma.
Stigma is a profound, unfair negative belief or stereotype attached to a person or group, causing shame, social rejection, and discrimination.
I’m having a hard time making any of the stuff you’re saying make sense with that definition, and the whole word is inherently social.
The fact is that a lot of people think it’s nasty to fuck your brother, and that you should stop fucking him when you realize you’re related to him. I see the nuance in this situation, but a lot of people don’t, and if they maintain the relationship they will have to deal with those people. It’s already hard enough to deal with homophobia without this on top.
I don’t understand how you can read that definition and not comprehend my comment. Perhaps you could explain in your own words what the stigma here should be.
Do you mean that the issue is the fact that they’re brothers or that it’s been printed in a newspaper with their faces on? Because if they’re two consenting adults, they cannot reproduce with one another, and they didn’t grow up as siblings, then I too am struggling to see what the issue is, considering that the usual incest-related issues (inbreeding and consent/coercion issues born of familial bonds/hierarchies) are addressed. Seems the only remaining issue is that it’s been publicized, meaning they’re liable to get shit on by the people for the rest of their lives for something they weren’t aware of, had no control over, and hurts no one.
There is a power imbalance when dating your daughter. Just like a teacher is generally not allowed to date their student. So there is an issue with dating your daughter.
The point is incestuous relationships were forbidden because they lead a higher probability of genetic defects in the offspring. They were also forbidden if they are not consensual like any other sexual relationships.
Clearly dating your daughter isn’t consensual given the imbalance of power at play. That’s also why pedophile relationships are forbidden.
I’m not straight or bi, but furry, and furry porn has none of that stuff (well, I’m sure it exists if you go looking for it, but it’s not like, plastered everywhere).
It’s weird hearing about the totally different norms of human porn!
It definitely exists, but it’s rather rare. In the last few years it has expanded; actually today I saw some of it on FA by an artist I watch, and didn’t know they drew that. Seems to be mostly father/son, but that might be skewed since I’m gay and follow many accounts that cater to that. Clones too, decent bit and seems to be growing, though slower.
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Unless they can reproduce, I don’t see the issue here.
While the medical concerns with incest don’t apply here, the stigma of having sexual relations with a relative usually doesn’t take such technicalities into account.
Why should the biological stigma matter when the only remaining stigma would have been social?
misread stigma as smegma
Homophobia masked as incestphobia (not sure if real word…)
Power dynamics, access/grooming to family members.
The issue isn’t about reproduction, though neither of those would apply in this scenario where we assume they were estranged.
Seems like none of those apply here though. These two didn’t even know they were brothers until they were already together romantically.
I said that.
I’m not sure what biological stigma is supposed to mean. Sexual relations between siblings gives most people the ick regardless of technicalities, and that is a social stigma, the only kind of stigma I’m aware of.
I think that’s all shit we are taught. In highschool there was a brother and sister in the grade above me that were notoriously very clingy with each other and their parents didn’t let them take sex ed because that class needed parental sign off and the bible was the only teacher they needed or some stupid shit. Anyway they were seen fucking in the storage room when extra chairs were needed for an event. People just passed it off as twins stuff before, then after it was twins stuff
Yes, these are social norms, and those are taught.
“Biological stigma” would refer to the effects of having an incestuous child.
“Social stigma” would refer to the sexual relationship between people in a close familial relationship, which is clearly not the case since they had no prior relationship.
Since these men wouldn’t fall under either category, what other stigma is there?
I don’t think we’re using the same definition of stigma.
I’m having a hard time making any of the stuff you’re saying make sense with that definition, and the whole word is inherently social.
The fact is that a lot of people think it’s nasty to fuck your brother, and that you should stop fucking him when you realize you’re related to him. I see the nuance in this situation, but a lot of people don’t, and if they maintain the relationship they will have to deal with those people. It’s already hard enough to deal with homophobia without this on top.
I don’t understand how you can read that definition and not comprehend my comment. Perhaps you could explain in your own words what the stigma here should be.
Would be still legal in Germany
No inbreeding, no problem
The issue is the fact they are brothers is on the front page of the newspaper. Hope that helps
Do you mean that the issue is the fact that they’re brothers or that it’s been printed in a newspaper with their faces on? Because if they’re two consenting adults, they cannot reproduce with one another, and they didn’t grow up as siblings, then I too am struggling to see what the issue is, considering that the usual incest-related issues (inbreeding and consent/coercion issues born of familial bonds/hierarchies) are addressed. Seems the only remaining issue is that it’s been publicized, meaning they’re liable to get shit on by the people for the rest of their lives for something they weren’t aware of, had no control over, and hurts no one.
That’s what I was saying yes
Exactly! I’m sterilized so I don’t see an issue with dating my daughter.
There is a power imbalance when dating your daughter. Just like a teacher is generally not allowed to date their student. So there is an issue with dating your daughter.
So… okay if it’s my sister, then?
From a narrow ethical standpoint, there is no issue I can see?
The point is incestuous relationships were forbidden because they lead a higher probability of genetic defects in the offspring. They were also forbidden if they are not consensual like any other sexual relationships.
Clearly dating your daughter isn’t consensual given the imbalance of power at play. That’s also why pedophile relationships are forbidden.
If you started being together not knowing you were siblings, like here, then no.
On the plus side, you cannot get someone pregnant from buttseks. No matter how hard I tried.
You can if you try hard enough, but then there are other complications
Yeah, hemeroids.
Good thing those aren’t anything like hemorrhoids
Not yet…
Super irresponsible of them. Their butt babies are going to be deformed.
I hope they used protection.
Anthony?!
Declan?!
Rocky!?
Bullwinkle!
And so what
From what I can tell it’s less of a shock if they like or play hockey. /s
LMAO
Step brothers?
Random question for the bi fellas here:
Does gay porn online also have a high percentage of “step” family incestuous stuff? Or is that an exclusively straights problem.
It sure does. Step-dads, step-brothers and even step-uncles, as far as the eye can see
Why though?! Who clicks those videos?!
I’m not straight or bi, but furry, and furry porn has none of that stuff (well, I’m sure it exists if you go looking for it, but it’s not like, plastered everywhere).
It’s weird hearing about the totally different norms of human porn!
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It definitely exists, but it’s rather rare. In the last few years it has expanded; actually today I saw some of it on FA by an artist I watch, and didn’t know they drew that. Seems to be mostly father/son, but that might be skewed since I’m gay and follow many accounts that cater to that. Clones too, decent bit and seems to be growing, though slower.
E: cool pfp :3
re E: thanks!! *wags* My headmate Ylfingr drew it in Inkscape. :3
– Frost