PieFedThreadverse Working Group is formed
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At this year's FediForum one of the breakout sessions centred around the Theadiverse, the subset of ActivityPub-enabled applications built around a group-centric model of content representation.
The main outcome of the meeting involved the genesis of an informal working group for the threadiverse, in order to align our disparate implementations toward a common path.
If you're developer of a threadverse app/platform and interested in being involved, read more at https://mastodon.social/@julian@community.nodebb.org/112124227775597261 or https://community.nodebb.org/topic/17908/threadiverse-working-group
So who is involved in this so far?
Developers from Discourse, NodeBB, Mbin, PieFed, Hubzilla and maybe some more that I forgot. Possibly Lemmy devs too, someone is contacting them directly about that.
If we can get Discourse and NodeBB sharing nicely with Lemmy+Mbin+PieFed it could more than double the size of the threadverse. It's a big deal.
Indeed!
If that all comes together, it'd be like "what kind of forum/reddit platform does the fediverse have" and the answer would just be "yes".
i just hope whatever they do it is lemmy-compatible
It should be.
I've been looking at https://helge.codeberg.page/fep/final/fep-1b12/ which is the closest thing we have to a standard way to do communities. It was written by a Lemmy dev and so Lemmy does 95% of what is described there.
The only missing piece is the
replies, which Lemmy devs have ~~no~~ tepid interest in https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2004. However Mastodon has this so we have an example to copy. I expect nailing that one down will be the bulk of the discussion to be had.The replies collection is only really really useful when adding a remote community for the first time and back-filling old content, so it's not something that people on large instances will miss very much if Lemmy never implements it.
If you look in one of the duplicate issues, nutomic says "no one has implemented it yet. Would definitely accept a PR to add it though.", so it's not a matter of "no interest", it is a matter of lacking manpower for it.
Yeah, I was going to say it was disingenuous to suggest theirs no interest in it from the developers.
Source: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4262#issuecomment-1855514307
@rimu@piefed.social You might wanna update your comment with the info brought by @rglullis@communick.news. Lemmy devs already receive a lot of hate around here and any little thing end up becoming another reason to attack them.
I should probably know this, but why "threadverse" and not "fediverse"? The name Threadverse sounds like a Meta trademark.
Theadiverse refers specifically to Fediverse sites that are organized like forums.
Yea. Broadly it's basically everything that's not microblogging and has well organised conversations
Threadiverse existed before Meta started their thing.
Thread i verse, threadverse??? I don't know :)
That's exactly my thought. I really don't like "Threadiverse" for that reason.
Shouldnt admins be involved in this as well? Just an idea.
Was FediForum that cash-grab event t 90€/person with no public live-stream where fediverse developers had to pay admission too? Or am I thinking of another event?
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There were a variety of price points, including $1.99 tickets for people who couldn't afford more. General Tickets were 40 bucks, but quite a few people spent more to sponsor the cheap tickets to help out. Only corporate attendees paid $250 per person.
The demos were recorded and uploaded, extensive notes for each breakout session were written, and some of us did live-blogging for the entire day while attending. The general format of an unconference is pretty grassroots, conversational, and informal.
It's the third event of its kind, bringing in a wide variety of people building different parts of the Fediverse, from Trust & Safety to standards bodies to developers and advocates. There's a lot of awesome things happening as people try to grapple with some of the biggest challenges the network has ever had.
Ah so, it is FediForum I was thinking of. @nutomic@lemmy.ml made a comment about not wanting to participate because he had to pay and I wasn't sure if it was this.
It all still feels really iffy. This could've easily been streamed on a streaming platform of choice or just like FOSDEM did during COVID: through matrix. Also, only demo videos were uploaded, not the talks themselves. That just feels like a marketing move: give them a taste so that next time, they'll spend money to get the real thing.
I can understand that there's effort and time required by the organisers to set this all up, but IMO there's a better way that makes this seem less... commercial and FARTSy (forced artificial scarcity). For example make it free for maintainers, stream with a delay for the public (e.g 5 minutes like in esports) and none for participants, let participants join in the live chat, record entire talks, upload the talks to peertube and add donation links.
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Honestly, I think this is an extremely cynical take. It takes a lot of effort to organize and run something like this, and nobody is getting rich off of it. If anything, it's pretty meagre compensation to set off infrastructure and organizational costs.
The talks themselves are also a informed by privacy concerns: some attendees are fine with being directly cited in notes / recorded / talked about, but a lot of people just wanted to be part of conversations and *do not* want that.
I think some of your suggestions in your last paragraph are actually pretty good, but I also think it's a little unfair to make demands here. No aspect of running this thing is easy, and the whole "why don't they just?" attitude from the sidelines is kind of unsavory when a lot of us went out of our way to pay extra to make sure there were more than enough $1.99 "almost free" tickets.
Like, if that's not good enough for you, I'm pretty sure nothing is.
I just stated an example of what's good enough for me 😐
If you think people's preferences are "demands", that's your issue. I didn't write a blog article and spam the fediverse to try and change how fediforum is run, nor did I look up who the organisers are and tell them "you must make these changes!".
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You have all of the answers. I look forward to the Threadiverse conference you put together
How many people attended this 'FediForum'? I ask because I'd like to see how representative it is of the community. The last thing the Fediverse needs is another cliché of nerds directing the strategy of a decentralized protocol.
A few hundreads I think? Though I don't know how many are part of this working group. It's open though so you or anyone interested can join.