PieFedExclusive: Germany seeks more F-35 jets as European fighter program falters, sources say
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Now the question I remain with is: what is the reason of the deadlock on FCAS?
MrMakabarFrance Dassault wants 80% of the workshare on FCAS. Germany and Spain absolutly do not like that idea, as they themself want significant shares in the project, including leadership on subsystems. So it currently looks like the entire project breaks up and Airbus builts a plane for Germany and Spain and France goes solo. However Airbus has never fully built a fighter jet(they have been part of Eurofighter though), so it might take time. Obviously buying American F35 is also on the table, as they are the only actually working 5th Gen fighter jets Germany might buy.
It has to be said, that FCAS might still be saved and the F35 purchase is being talked about and nothing more atm.
There is also the issue that they would have to build at least two variants, because Germany wants a long-range, RTOL fighter, while France wants a nuclear-capable carrier model. Some experts argue they should just build two jets and make them as compatible as possible (parts/weapons/software/comms/etc.)
Far from me being pro-French (I am from a country where they are not well seen traditionally), but it sounds like they wanted the lead on something on which they brought decisive competencies. The Germans have barely built any weapons for close to 80 years AFAIK.
Germany had 29% workshare on Eurofighter and Spain 14%. It is not like there is no capability to work on fighter jets.
Not what I was suggesting, but if without the French the project is dead in the water, they had the decisive cut apparently.
The main issue is Dassault and not the French in general. The other parts of the project like the combat cloud and engine development are working out well. So yeah probably multiple aircraft sharing parts and software.
The Germans have barely built any weapons for close to 80 years AFAIK.
H&K, Rheinmetall, Sig Sauer, & Walther would like to have a word with you.
France and Germany are basically arguing over who should lead the project. Also the French want to make the plane carrier capable, which is a requirement no one else involved needs and wants to spend money on.
SkunkSo, same as last time that led to the Rafale? (aka France saying merde I’ll do my own plane myself)
tomiant
If you think the US meddles in the internal politics of sovereign nations, just imagine the lobbying they do in the military industry.
Not everything is the US. Germany and France are more than capable of having beef on their own. There a few, uh, notable examples that come to mind.
two things can be true at the same time. The US is definitely lobbying and meddling in European affairs big time
Sure. It’s just probably not the primary cause in this case.
About half of all EU politics is “What are France and Germany arguing about this time?” They’re the old married couple of Europe.
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Who is increasing their reliance on America in 2026?
Sounds like the same old Germany move as relying on Russian oil & gas
Nordstream 3 announcement in 3, 2, 1…
Ihr Arschlöcher bringt mich wirklich noch dazu auf die Straße zu gehen, oder was? Ich bin faul, das Wetter ist scheiße, ich will nicht raus. Aber irgendwann ist mal gut 😐
(angry German noises)
Mach dir nichts draus. Denen ist scheißegal, wie oft oder mit vielen Gleichgesinnten du auf die Straße gehst.
Wir hatten Millionen Leute gegen Rechts zeitgleich auf den Straßen und die Reaktion war praktisch “Haha, fickt euch! Wir marschieren weiter stramm nach Rechts!”. Gefolgt von ein bißchen Pöpelei gegen das Demonstrationsrecht.
Also wenn, dann tu was sinnvolles. Demos auf der Straße (noch dazu im beliebten deutschen “nur am Wochenende und in Fußgängerzonen"-Format sind ganz offensichtlich längst nur noch PErformancekunst für die Teilnehmer, damit sie sich einreden können, etwas getan zu haben.
Nee, wenn überhaupt demonstriere ich nicht gegen die Regierung, das interessiert keine Sau. Dann mache ich Stimmung gegen diese Affen und engagiere mich politisch. Fragt sich nur für wen.
„our requirements are unique, we can not build a fighter together with France because it does not fit our requirements!“
Then they go ahead and want to buy standard American fighters… what a joke.
Because of nuclear sharing which would never really happen anyway. But it’s a great way for the americans to say: “you got to buy our shit, we make sure nothing else is compatible”
Well, the bombs are already here, you can probably jailbreak them like an F-35. And AFAIK Germany didn’t want to handover the plans for the Typhoon to get compatibility for the bombs.
SAAB Gripen.
In that case they could just buy more Typhoons instead of introducing yet another jet.
Especially one that can be grounded by the US ceasing delivery of spare parts. If there isn’t even a kill switch.
Exactly. It should be clear not to buy Fighter Jets from a country, that probably is the enemy in the future… Trump gives a flying fuck about europe and we still buy jets from them…
Depends on the intended role. The Gripen is more akin to the F-35 than the Typhoon, and probably much more cheaper to operate.
Also much more suitable for operations with little supporting infrastructure.
For fucking sake Pistorius! America is not the be trusted!
Sounds like Berlin wants to pressure Paris concerning FCAS.
For fucks sake, i really cant say anything else. Just get a fucking gripen
Eurofighter is newer and better.
Wasn’t the first batch of the new Gripen E delivered in 2025? Is there a newer version of the Eurofighter?
Gripen introductiom date: 9 June 1996 Eurofighter introduction date: 4 August 2003
Just looked it up, wasn’t as much as I thought it was.
Ohh okay, you are just going by first introduction, not latest model released.
The Typhoon gets upgrades too, latest model is called Tranche 5. Not sure about the official “release date”, they haven’t been built yet but are expected to be delivered in 2030 or so.
A striking combination of corruption and idiocy
“That’s it, I’m quitting drugs. But first! A quick stop at my dealer’s…”
For years social media has happily parroted the right-wing German media and screamed and screamed to get those corrupt conservatives back into office.
And now the same people complain about corrupt puppets doing corrupt puppet things… 🤣
Probably better off to invest the money into domestic drone production instead.
/r/noncredibledefense
ich liebe der cuckstuhl
Idiocy
Strangely, German government seems to have a strong affinity Zionists and the uSA
Corporate with Turkey’s KAAN aircraft joint development
My guess is that as Dassault is difficult to negotiate with for the joint fighter program, they are pulling a ‘look how unreasonable we can be if YOU don’t get reasonable’ stunt. If so it makes sense