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This video kind of misses the mark on delivering the points of the title, but these are the simplest boiled down points of the community gripes:
Gigabyte (remember them?) did this same slow slide of enshittification about 10 years ago. The issue pretty much boils down to a company producing too many different types of things, instead of staying good at the things they do well, and the community has noticed and is calling for boycotts. This will no doubt put them on the defensive for years to come, and affect their overall standing in the larger community until they correct course.
Sure do! Both my board and the board in my wife's computer are Gigabyte. So's my video card. The only issue I've ever had with their stuff has been a bad stick of ram a few years ago, which they exchanged without argument.
Brands in this sphere I definitely have had trouble with: MSI, Razer -- so many problems with Razer -- and ASUS.
Yeah so the thing with PC parts suppliers is that every brand is going to have people who have experienced problems with their stuff.
Gigabyte I've never had a problem with, but yeah during the pandemic their power supplies were fucking exploding so yeah that's a problem.
Asus I've never had a problem with, but yeah their boards on both sides have been setting voltages and power limits very aggressively, killing AM5 CPUs catastrophically, potentially causing instability on higher end Intel chips as well it seems. That's a problem.
Etc etc etc
I've had problems with Logitech. They still make good peripherals, but it's more luck of the draw for me recently, so QC may be getting cut.
QC??? Hadn't you heard that the end user is the new totally free Beta Tester? But don't worry, they'll solve the resulting support issues with AI.
I hate how true this is...
People are trained to buy any old trash that is marketed to them without any critical thinking, it's why everything is turning out broken like this.
I keep hearing this and wonder if I should buy bulk mice before they come preinstalled with malware or something because they last decades so voting with your wallet doesn't really work.
Maybe. Or just switch to whatever the good mouse brand is at the time. I'm rocking a Microsoft Intellimouse Pro (wired) on my desktop, which I really like. On my work laptop, I have a Logitech MX Master 3 at work (had lots of issues with the thumb button in the past), and a Logitech Triathlon (no issues).
My wife had a couple of the g305s die on her within a year, so I switched her to a Razer Deathaddr Mini, which has been good for over a year now.
I'm still mourning the loss of the g5 moulds. Why do people feel the need to improve on perfection.
I'm also running a Gigabyte high-end right now and I've got absolutely no complaints. I really enjoy the BIOS/UEFI menu.
Tried to RMA a motherboard with Gigabyte and they will find any excuse to void the warranty.
My msi motherboard randomly erases boot entries, I have to keep the computer on for a few minutes and reboot so that my other boot entry appears.
It maybe a problem with the m.2 slot, but it has been the case ever since I bought the motherboard.
Anyways I'm gonna stick to a different manufacturer for my motherboard if I'm building a new PC.
What are the problems with Razer? I've only used their mice, so I honestly don't even know what else they make
Keyboards, headphones, laptops, a handheld Steam Deck imitator, and various other RGB gamer shit. All of it is trash. Their business model nowadays seems to revolve entirely around upselling Aliexpress quality Chinese garbage at premium prices and then methodically denying every single warranty claim for defective and DOA product using spurious excuses. Oh, and their driver software is crap. And their products are consistently behind even Logitech on the features you get for the price.
Through no particular intentional means, I am now a Logitech convert. For mice and keyboards, their stuff has always been consistently reliable for me, their "G" series driver software is significantly less irritating than Razer Synapse, and most of their stuff is cheaper as well.
I think in my lifetime I've trashed four Razer keyboards, at least as many mice, and two pairs of headphones. All of these died early deaths -- within weeks, sometimes a couple of months at the outside. Every time I tell myself this time will be different. It never is. I don't buy their shit anymore, and I don't recommend anyone else do, either.
Can just Onboard Memory Manager too for Logitech mice, don't even need that G hub garbage.
I don't remember Razer ever not being like that. Was it?
I dunno, the Boomslang was pretty rad back in the day. But it was so old it was a ball mouse.
I bought the $120 Razer Wolverine V2 Xbox controller after MS shrunk the official controller for the Series S/X and it was a piece of shit. Replaced it with a $45 gamesir (Chinese brand) with hall effect triggers and sticks that I've had for two years now with no issues and no drift, a first for any xbox controller I've ever had. Razer sucks.
I mean their mice are terrible too. I went through three of their mice in two years back in like 2016. Been using a Logitech g2 whatever their most famous one is since then and it’s not had a single problem. So much so that I bought two more for my other computer and my wife.
As someone with small hands, Razer is the only mouse I can use. All the beloved Logitech models are just too big. I've been using Razer mice for more than a decade. Only had a problem with one. I'd like some competition and alternatives, but the gaming market (side buttons) is for large hands. Which sucks, because people with large hands can also prefer that claw-grip and want smaller mice as well.
I've been using the same DeathAdder for like 10 years 😅 what are you doing to these poor mice
Nothing. It was a work mouse for me, I didn’t even use it for gaming. There’s a reason razer has a terrible reputation.
I have a 14 year old gigabyte motherboard in my older computer. When I first got it I didn't know what I was doing and plugged the wrong thing in somewhere and blew up a component on it. As long as I don't use that slot it chugs along just fine. I wish companies would just keep making things that last I'd gladly pay a fairly steep premium for that. Instead it seems every company that gets known for making good stuff decides to shit all over themselves
Honestly, in your case, it could just be more about who makes what components can withstand X amount of punishment and keep the electrons flowing through so other things keep working 😂
Agreed on your point though. Cheap shit needs to stop.
They also reject advance RMAs. How nice to be without a system for weeks.
Looks like big companies buying everything has unexpected downsides too (aside the known downsides).
Who ever saw this ever in history before now, or ever predicted it?
Take your crazy thoughts and wants for things to be good for consumers SOMEWHERE ELSE!
I’ve had good luck recently with Gigabyte. I know it’s circumstantial but my hope is that they are recovering.
Anecdotal like the rest of the posts here, but I recently built a new rig for gaming/lab testing and used a Gigabyte board for the first time in a decade after seeing good reviews and a solid sale price.
About 3 weeks after setting everything up it just crapped out. Would reboot seconds after you pressed power. Checked and verified absolutely every other part, no luck. Tried to contact support, got the runaround for a few days until I was directed to a site to submit an RMA request.
That was a month ago, zero movement still. About 4 days into it I bought an identical part of Amazon and "traded" em. I'm usually pretty ethical about that kind of thing but this was ridiculous and I needed the PC working ASAP.
Who's decent anymore? I always used to go with MSI.
They seem to be, but it's been for a short time. Let's see if they keep it going.
Meaning you could sue them as fraudulent?
No. The ROG brand is ASUS's brand in the first place.
Like, anyone could be like "this is my normal quiche, and this one here is my MuMu quiche."
Then, once everybody's buying MuMu, start using the normal recipe for MuMu. It's not illegal, but at first people think they just got an Ok MuMu, then they start realizing it just sucks now. Hard for the company to recover from that.
But voiding and not honoring warranties?
Yeah.
That’s when you introduce the PuPu quiche that uses the original MuMu recipe and start the process all over.
Yeah. Companies like that are bridges I burn and never look back to.
But there's a great sale on the new DuDu series right now! Come back in...
Videos are a terrible way to communicate small amounts of information and these comments aren't super insightful so I guess I'll just move on.
A 10-12 minute video is always a huge red flag for me. Either the info is stretched out or over compresses.
Videos are the most monetizable way to communicate small amounts of information.
My ROG Strix main board somehow didn't support(?, idk what word would be accurate) Microsoft .NET Try using Windows with that. (That is intact why I used Linux for the first time) After a year or so I got tired of .NET not working and switched out my main board(to MSI). Everything worked perfectly fine since then. I don't even know how that's even possible
I refuse to believe there is a ROG board that "doesn't support .NET", even if that phrase weren't already borderline nonsensical.
Bruh it just didn't work, I still have this shit ass main board. Linux worked almost completely fine on it(besides some windows applications) but Windows itself would run until I switched the main board. I just used this phrase because I've skipped over it in a forum while figuring this issue.
Asus has become shit get over it
I believe that you had issues. I can also *easily* believe that ASUS makes a board or windows drivers/software prone to problems. The specific cause you claim to have identified is simply absurd.
This is a terrible video. 20 minutes just to say "bad customer support". But then, who does nowadays?
On a sidenote, the pearl, the jewel I got from their CS is "WeLL I gUeSs tHiS LaPtOP oNlY sUpPoRtS ThReE ScReEnS iN tOtAl". Bitch! This laptop has 3 separate video outputs! And 2 screens built-in! The fuck is 3 total? Besides, it totally worked until some botched update on their side...
I miss the activeness of the r/saveAClick community.
The closest lemme alternative is https://lemmy.nrd.li/c/savedyouaclick
We need that here for these click bait posts
You can have more video outputs than your machine can actually use simultaneously, that's a fairly normal characteristic. It allows you to have a greater variety of output port types without needing more framebuffers inside the GPU. If an update bricked it then it's not that specific characteristic obviously. Probably it's the fault of the GPU manufacturer issuing a bad update that they then repackaged.
Maybe you're right, but I haven't seen a GPU that doesn't have at least 4 distinct outputs in a while, not that I'd expect one in a machine of this class either. The problem, if I were to guess, is that this machine has AMD iGPU with Nvidia dGPU and a switchable MUX on top of that so it could boot with(or without) either as primary. That's like three points of failure already. On top of that, I had the main panel cracked and badly malfunctioning, so I've removed it, just in case, for about a month while I waited for replacement. I guess some firmware update did not expect the main panel to be missing(or to have different s/n) during update and did something stupid to the mux setting that made it so that two outputs can't be active simultaneously. I've tried to reach someone half-competent at ASUS for like a couple months, then just said "fuck it" and installed linux. Now living happily with 6 displays up and running, theoretically up to 9 if I do some output splitting shenanigans. Someday I'll actually build that setup just to dunk on that rep who told me it could only handle 3.
It's fairly common for iGPUs to have less outputs. Apple M1 was especially bad as it only had 2, and the internal screen on the laptops couldn't even be disabled if I remember correctly. I think many Intel (or maybe AMD) iGPUs only have three outputs.
Yeah it definitely sounds like a driver issue. I have had issues with dual GPU systems like that on Linux, not had any on Windows yet. It would be interesting to see to be honest. I've had laptops before where the video ports would only connect to the dGPU, and the internal screen used Optimus (display output from the iGPU with graphics acceleration from the dGPU on demand). Lots of dual GPU laptops are MUXless like that in fact.
I still have the video I've sent to them at some point, it describes it in all detail, if you can bear my accent..
Yeah, I've had some of those. Actually owned one of the first generation optimus laptops and it was horrible, most of the time it did not pick up the heavy load and stayed on iGPU even when playing games. Seems to be much improved a lot in win10-11, but I still prefer the kill-switch.
This one kind of works like that too, though. The MUX only controls which GPU the main panel is connected to (and with it, the framebuffer). The modes basically are: - "Eco" where only iGPU is enabled - "Hybrid" where iGPU is main and maintains framebuffer while offloading work to dGPU when needed just as you've described - "Ultimate" with Nvidia as main, which apparently gives much better framerate and latency because it does not require overhead of workload offloading and framebuffer shuffling, but the dGPU is by far the most power hungry device at 150W TDP which drains the battery in mere minutes, even on idle
I feel you. My previous setup was a desktop with both AMD and Nvidia cards, which I juggled between the host and VM. It was pain, mostly because Nvidia did not want to play nicely. Also because most utilities assumed I had Intel APU — I didn't, but it was fair assumption at a time. Nowadays, it seems like everything's sorted out, even VFIO was a breeze to set up (though what for, most games now play on linux nowadays thanks to steamdeck)
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why don’t you tell me?
No, why don't you tell me?
we are doing this, now?
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I hate ASUS. Used to be way in on them -- well not way but relatively. I had the ASUS ROG Phone. The screen unfortunately broke and needed to be sent into service. More unfortunate, it was just about 1 month out of warranty.
So I get it set up to send it. ASUS charges me $300 for the phone screen replacement. It took over 8 months for them to get it back to me. When the phone finally did arrive, the RGB lighting didn't work, the NFC didn't work, and the screen itself had an orange hue in the upper right corner. To boot, it would only connect to AES Wi-Fi networks, so I can't even use it without a SIM card because who the fuck uses AES. They didn't even fucking fix it properly. I never got responses, sending e-mails for months after it was finally returned to me.
Now, in this time I was really patient. I was using a temporary phone. Around month 5, I just needed a new phone and was looking into the newly released ROG Phone 2. I figured the ROG 1 would still get plenty of usage as a spare device. Well I had the ROG 2 until AT&T decided that the phone didn't have the supported bands anymore, so my >1 year old phone is now as effective as an iPod 3g. Just 6 months later, screen itself just died, no fall, no nothing. I can use SCRCPY to use it, the screen just doesn't work. I really, really tried to give them a shot and the benefit of the doubt.
Now, in between these ~2 years I'd accumulated a few accessories for the phones, keycaps and backpacks. Just little things -- ngl, the bag and the keycaps are still really good quality. I also decided to upgrade my PC, and was looking at a nice new motherboard to rebuild my existing PC with.
So I get the ASUS B550 or something like that. Stupidly bought it from Newegg, first time. The motherboard arrives and upon building the computer I just cannot get it to POST. I reach out to the 2 likely culprits, the PSU and the MoBo. EVGA *sends me an entirely new PSU, free of charge, and tells me not to bother shipping it back. ASUS on the other hand would not accept that the motherboard could have been the point of failure!* And when I FINALLY was able to fully prove that every single component in the board works EXCEPT the MoBo, they told me to take it up with where I purchased it from, Newegg. So I would get to pay some ~20% restocking fee on a broken motherboard, instead of the manufacturr just replacing a defective board. Oh, the best part? The motherboards USB-3.0 header was broken, came right off when trying to plug it in. No wonder it wouldn't POST.
Fuck you, ASUS. Fuck your shitty warranty, your awful customer support, your horrible treatment of customers who put their trust into you. I will *never* support ASUS again and I will always vehemently suggest anyone else. It's really, really simple to be a good OEM, all it takes is replacing things that break. ASUS treats every single customer like a scammer who is trying to get free stuff out of them, which IMO just goes to show that's exactly the mindset ASUS has as well.
I still have the motherboard btw. If anyone knows how to repair a USB-3.0 header I'll either be glad to be guided through a repair or I'll just send it to you for cost of shipping. It's just going to sit in my garage otherwise.
Going to corroborate this with that I had a really similar experience with my old Sabertooth 990FX board. Was supposed to support Bulldozer, and they put out a BIOS update the night before Bulldozer launched. I grabbed the update, put it on a flash drive, and updated the board. It would never post after that. RAM, CPU (FX6100), graphics card were all reseated multiple times. Never even gave post beeps, so there wasn’t even a *hint* as to what was going on. Even tried a different PSU just to be safe.
ASUS told me to get shafted because they couldn’t guarantee I updated the BIOS safely.
CompUSA exchanged it with a pre-updated board, no questions asked.
I fucking miss. That. Store.
I'm still so bummed about EVGA leaving the graphics card market! My 2070 super still runs fine, thankfully, but it's getting a bit long in the tooth.
Yeah EVGA were my go-to. I have a 1660, 2070s, and 3080 all from them.
In fact they have been my only GPU manufacturer. I don't know what I'll do for the future.
Wait… what?
Lol, yeah. The ROG line of phone has an RGB backlight with the ROG logo.
Honestly, I liked it. Could be configured to per-app notifications, and could be synced to other phones that had it. Not that I ever got to use this feature, it was returned to me BROKEN! lol
Reattaching the connector is relatively easy. But unless the pcb itself is really mangled, a missing connector won't affect the computer POSTing. Can you send a closeup of where the connector should be?
It's in my garage at the moment, but from memory (it's been a year or two now) the USB-3.0 header straight up fell off. The PCB *should* be fine, which is why I have a feeling that I *could* likely just resolder it, so long as the pads themselves on the PCB were ok.
I'll see if I can find some time this week to dig it out and share a photo, thank you for the offer!
Come back EVGA, please.
they saw the race to the bottom was on, and decided they didn't want to go out like that
Shit, if Asus is no good anymore, what brand is good nowadays?
MSI is still on the come up. Can't think of a bad component they've released in many years.
ASRock is always rock solid.
Gigabyte seems to be making a comeback.
NZXT just started expanding on making components, and has really feature stuff. One to watch, though higher-end.
NZXT has always been some really mediocre stuff at ridiculous markup, I don't have literally any faith in this statement
It's funny, ASRock went from a company I'd never fucking heard of to one of the top names in the space. I used to be like "what's this no-name brand?" and now I'm like "Oh ASRock, I know them."
Unrelated, I miss the old Gigabyte Dual BIOS, where it had a backup BIOS in case the default got corrupted. Which mine did, a lot.
EDIT: NZXT? Wait, this NZXT? https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2021/NZXT-Recalls-H1-Computer-Cases-Due-to-Fire-Hazard I'd personally wait a while before jumping all in on them. Fire hazards in components is a pretty big fuckin deal.
This is on many higher end enthusiast/overclocking type motherboards, I’ve had it on multiple MSI and Gigabyte boards.
I have an MSI currently, and when I was searching I never encountered one with a dual-BIOS. I'll keep an eye out in the future, thanks.
+1 for MSI. I've bought GPUs from them for 10+ years and never once had a failure or even a minor issue. Got a lot of mileage out of the GTX 1080 I bought in 2016.
Oof, my MSI 1080 died after allmost six years of service.
My first hardware death in 20 years of building my own systems, other than a drive.
Can’t blame them for it. It truly did its job, so I went with them again for my 3080.
I liked ASrock when they were in the ECS tier of quirky and weird. Got a Socket 939 board with the ULi M1695 chipset that was really nifty.
Then I had an awful experience with an AM3 board that claimed to run a FX-8350, until they edited their support list.
I grudgingly chose them for AM5 because it was $50 cheaper for the featured I wanted, and it's been okay, aside from me breaking the x16 slot clip due to hamfistedly removing a shipping-container sized GPU.
Glad you brought up ECS. Not good for high-end computing, but really stable for low-end. I have a customer with an Athlon64 box I built them in a pinch almost 20 years ago now that just runs a POS system, and it's never caused him a single problem. Sometimes budget minded brands work in a pinch. ECS is not super well known, but always been great with customer service and advance RMA replacements. I wouldn't call their hardware super sturdy in some cases though.
Isn't asrock asus
it was spun-off from asus in '02, then acquired by a different spin-off in '10 which asus retains significant ownership of. so, yea, basically asrock is their "discount" brand,
ASRock makes high end server parts that Asus has no equivalent.
https://www.asrockrack.com/
https://www.asrockrack.com/general/products.asp#Server
Brb ima order 64gb ecc ram and an epyc to play minecraft
(/s obviously)
Not exactly. They were created out of Asus and are still related somehow, but I don't know the details.
Nope.
Thanks! This will be helpful next time I have to upgrade my PC
Msi Lenovo I think
Lenovo is now garbage aside from their Enterprise model offerings. The consumer level stuff is just reduced to junk now.
I'm old enough to remember when ASUS was viewed as one of the best hardware manufacturers you could go with.
It has been a long, slow decline for ASUS. They really manufactured their own demise here.
Not in a place to watch the video, what's the tl;dw?
Sending out defective boards, then refusing RMAs for said defective boards. They basically go “You voided the warranty by opening it, lul git fukd loser.”
Never mind the fact that (unless the board is visibly broken somehow) you’d need to open it and plug shit in to test it. So there would be no way to test it without voiding the warranty. It’s a catch-22 in action.
The truly shitty part is that using the board doesn’t void the warranty. But ASUS is claiming the people trying to RMA all have voided warranties. If it were only one or two, then yeah it may be scammers trying to avoid losing money after roasting a board. But it quickly turned into a Boy Who Cried Wolf scenario, where nobody is believing ASUS anymore because they’re basically just blanket denying every single warranty RMA.
I'm guessing this for the US market? I had a completely different experience in Singapore and it was perfectly fine.
The usual. Hardware quality slowly goes to shit, company starts getting tricksy with consumers to make money instead of making quality product.
The big one was the BIOS update that nearly fried a lot of 670 motherboards that ASUS turned around and tried to avoid taking responsibility for, trying to pin issues on the consumer.
It's capitalists being capitalists. Completely ruining their brand to squeeze out a short term 1% increase in revenue.
We are in the "how many of my customers can I screw over and completey piss off and still make a profit" stage of capitalism.
Enshittification
The problem with asus was all the engineers who cared went to asrock when they split. For those who don't know, asrock started life as a subsidiary for asus to cover the low end and OEM markets. There used to be a lot of shared engineering between the two companies but there started to be some bad blood between each other as asus was releasing server hardware and asrock was releasing enthusiasts hardware. Ultimately it was decided since neither side wanted to stop stepping on the others toes they would let asrock fully separate from asus as a company and let the market decide things. Ironically that only lasted for three years before the majority stake in asrock was bought up by Pegatron, a company owned partially owned by asus...
So ASUS is now becoming as (un)reliable as ASRock.
This is really sad.
My main machine is running a Asus motherboard. 12 years old and still games fine.
When was that? I don’t think I’ve ever viewed them as anything except junk and I had an asus laptop in 2007 or 8.
I remember them being quality in the 90's and early 2000's, but 2008 tracks for about when their products first began to take a downturn.
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So OP is a thief even!
This is troubling. I've been using ASUS motherboards for a very long time. I haven't noticed any problems in the last 3 systems I built, but I also usually go for the workstation type motherboards instead of gaming motherboards, so I can use ECC RAM and dispense with the LED bling I don't need or want. I wonder if they are still putting enough effort into the business/workstation stuff that it's not having too many quality issues yet. I hope they can turn this around, because the list of quality PC parts manufacturers is growing smaller all the time.
I have always had issues with ASUS. Their parts have never really worked well for me, and if they did they only lasted a year or two before shitting out. Everyone else seemed to swear by them and I could never even get a part that worked.
I had a $1,300 gaming laptop from Asus from way back in 2013. The hinge for the screen was designed in such a way that it applied pressure against the very thing plastic screen bezel when opening the laptop, so in a very short amount of time the bezel just snapped in front of each hinge. Absolutely brain dead design.
I had the *exact* same issue with an Asus laptop from a few years before yours.
It was fucking bullshit.
The only non-Apple laptop that has lasted me for years was an asus from 2013. Probably cost me $1900. Luck of the draw for me, I guess. I always thought highly of the company because my HP and Dell laptops fell apart so fast (even the ones that cost close to $1900). I know Lenovo always had issues with back doors. I guess there aren’t a lot of options these days.
How was your experience with other gear? Was it always a similar problem between different components?
Nope, its only been ASUS. I have a mix of corsair and MSI right now. The problems ranged from DOA (couple mobos over the years), dim displays, and even had a router that had burnt up its power module.
That's my experience with Asus going back over 25 years now. To me, Asus has always been substandard products sold at premium prices. If I wanted a substandard motherboard, I'd buy ECS and save a bunch of money. And to be fair to ECS, I've had some of their boards that have worked just fine, which is more than I can say about the Asus stuff.
I've been largely unaware of a lot of these things going on with Asus but the other day I was reading up on Armoury Crate, which Asus integrates as a hardware-level rootkit on many of their motherboards. That is absolutely goddamn absurd. Bloatware baked right into the hardware itself? I cannot express how scummy and disrespectful to your customers that is.
I'm very glad I picked no Asus parts for my latest build.
I saw this headline and immediately thought "ArmouryCrate is the reason"
I certainly avoid ASUS stuff after discovering that piece of nonsense on my new install.
The rootkit is easy enough to turn off in the BIOS but I highly, highly recommend G-Helper instead of Armoury Crate.
Moving to it from AC is like leaving a prison cell full of screaming children and entering a calm beach.
I didn't even know that. Fuck.
Wtf?
What about MSI? Do they do this shit too?
I had an msi board in my father's build, and as I was eyeing hardware upgrades I decided to get some more life out of it by adding some memory and updating the bios, as it was quite old. After the bios update, it never booted again. The upgrade tool said it was the correct file, that it was installed successfully, and that I just needed to reboot. Their flashback system? Didn't work. Researching, it was apparently a KNOWN PROBLEM that msi just shrugged off, and several boards from that era would die after an update. No apology, no resolution, not even an admission of guilt. Because of that fuck up, proprietary software that my father used for business finances, wouldn't activate on a new machine - the company shutdown the activation servers, and it required hardware checks, and there was no work around. The new program? Unable to read the old file format. We lost access to 20 years of tax/receipt records.
MSI is blacklisted for me, my family, friends, and anyone who I perform IT services for. I don't give 2 fucks if the hardware is 80% cheaper and 200% better. Fuck you, they fucked perfectly good hardware, my reputation, and if we ever get audited we're fucked. Eat shit and die, MSI.
At least it's exclusive to Windows
Years ago I happily used some Razer mice and keyboards, even a headset, so in the not too far past I told people around me that Razer was fairly good, quality wise, but alas, I think each and every one I recommended Razer products to had them break and or die well within warranty, and they always had to start a stupid discussion to get the warranty/RMA accepted, a few times even replacements denied outright by Razer.
For me this stands in sharp contrast with Logitech whom has never denied me a warranty, even for products a few weeks beyond the date, and they generally just send out a new item. That is, for me it is rare for a Logitech product to actually require replacement to begin with, I have a few mice, keyboards and headsets far older than 5 years and they work fine plus are still supported in the drivers.
Speaking of drivers, Razer at one point also made the decision to have their drivers require an account login to function properly (multi-button mice would only have 2 functional buttons if not logged in etc). But after some flak from its users it slightly changed that to the login being optional, but profiles would still be hampered without a continuous online presence.
Coming back to Asus, for a few years now I hear of people having quality issues and grumpy asus service desks, but for me their videocards ways ran fine (even without coil whine, unlike some MSI cards). I am quite hesitant to buy an Asus monitor or motherboard though.
Seconded for difficulty with Razer products. 15+ years ago they were pretty good. But since then I’ve had 2 headsets crap out right after warranty, one in warranty failed, mice quit working and a keyboard fail. They only replaced the one headset. Plus, their gaming software for their upper tier headsets is unbelievably bloated and awful. I’ve had to uninstall and reinstall it several times to get it working when some update f’s it up.
So far, my Logitech gear is still trucking along, even my cheap $14 travel mouse.
I finally bought a Razer mouse just a couple years ago since it was one of the few I could find that was a USB receiver + Bluetooth wireless gaming mouse I could use with my desktop and steam deck. Still works great, thankfully. But otherwise I learned the hard way many years ago to just buy Logitech after purchasing a stupid expensive gaming mouse from a brand I've forgotten whose left click died in less than a year. I don't think I've ever had a Logitech product actually die on me; I just eventually replace them with a newer Logitech product.
Seems to be a problem in general. I've been using Elecom trackballs for years, first one I bought still works. Ones I've bought in the last year all started wigging out on left click within a couple months. I took one apart recently to swap the mouse switch with a quick solder job and it's good as new. Seems like the newer ones are using really cheap Chinese Omron switches that die quickly. IIRC the older one uses a Japanese Omron switch. The new one I soldered in is a Kailh GM2.0.
Modern Logitech mice are the same. The cheap Chinese Omron switches in the same mouse look like they're from different factories.
I have two G604 mice that I bought within a couple of months of each other and one of them started double clicking. So I did a button switch just like you but with Kailh reds. Each mouse had old looking Omron switches.
I've had the opposite experience between Logitech and Razer, at least when it comes to mice. Every modern Logitech mouse I've had (3) has had the right and left click switches replaced as they started double clicking right after the warranty expired.
Logitech are actually using the wrong switches as they're running them below their design voltage and is causing premature failure. I swapped them out with appropriately rated switches and they are still in service, now for much longer than the original switches.
When the failure started though I switched my main mouse to a Razer with optical switches and have had zero problems with the hardware. Software wise, Polychromatic + OpenRazer on Linux works better than Razer's software on Windows. Razer's software leaves a lot to be desired, but Logitech's software is only marginally better.
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I didn't open the video. Was it one of those videos that talk in circles about what they're "going" to talk about in the video, then they keep saying it in different ways?
I never open a video where 3 or less paragraphs of text would suffice. I feel like we're heading back to drawing things on the walls of caves
Dude has 35 subs, is this your own account?
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Shit video OP
I've had two ASUS gaming laptops, and both of them began having issues within a year, and the second didnt last more than a couple years total.
The first laptop was one of their enormous ROG 17 inch gaming laptops that looked like it had jet engine exhaust. The hard drive died and the power port broke within the first year, and I had to send it in under warranty. The power brick also died, and I ended up having to replace it myself around the 3 year mark.
Thinking it was a fluke, I ended up buying a smaller, more portable ASUS gaming laptop next which had more of a standard form factor. Maybe six or eight months later, that one suffered some issue that required being sent in for service as well. It began experiencing the same issue about four months later, I'd sent it in for repair a second time for the same issue, and they apparently fixed it.
I got to use that laptop for maybe 1.5 years total before it was completely unusable, in spite of two RMAs.
My current gaming laptop is an HP Omen 17 from 2017, and has been completely stable and reliable up to this day. I love to hate on HP because of their dumb printers, but I'm pretty impressed. I'll probably end up buying another one, because I will literally never own another ASUS product ever in my life, and there are only so many manufacturers out there who I'd consider for a laptop purchase.
I'd personally look into Dell and Lenovo enterprise workstation laptops; same tech, but designed to be used instead of just looking flashy on a shelf.
Dell and Lenovo enterprise models are excellent for enterprise use, but struggle with gaming in my experience. It's just not what they're built to do.
How is it functionally different from running video editing or CAD software?
Enterprise laptops for CAD, etc. still prioritize battery life over performance. Switchable graphics are a pain to setup and troubleshoot for gaming, the screens are not optimized for gaming (almost always 60Hz), thermals can be questionable, and they're loud. Gaming laptops are built for that purpose, and they do it better than trying to shoehorn in a laptop built for an entirely different purpose.
Thank you for your input - I think a lot of that depends on the specific model and price point as well. Imo at the end of the day it's good to go for a laptop thick enough to accommodate a heatsink and look up any firmware restrictions on performance beforehand. Plenty of workstation laptops hit point one but I haven't gamed on them enough to speak for point two
It's not all of the sudden Gamer Nexus dropped them as a sponsor and tore them a new one months ago.
They don't care about their customers. They just want your money.
Can't play video currently. Someone has a synopsis?
Edit: Nice, someone did already.
I feel the same argument applies to many other brands already including lenovo and sadly the thinkpad lineup.
Some others are contributing to the same trend by increasing prices and while only relying on cult fandom.
I have a bone to pick with Lenovo, the backlight doesn't work out of the box for my laptop in many Linux distributions because as far as I can tell they don't honour the acpi calls to adjust it.
I have to do a whacky work around where I need the proprietary Nvidia driver to control it.
their enshittification is sad.
they were always my go to for quality motherboards. oh well.
At first I was watching to find out why people hate Asus now. But then I was watching to see how many times he changes the way he says Asus.
I was really enjoying his overuse of the raised "isn't it interesting" eyebrow.
I ordered a board from Asus last year. FedEx delivered it to the wrong place. Delivery picture was at some apartment somewhere. They gave me so much shit. I had to go to my bank to help me get my money back. Took over a month.
They've been shit for quite a few years. Overheating laptops made me vocally against them after the fifth repair/replacement.
I must be in the minority here because I've never had major issues with ASUS products, though the caveat here is I have only used their motherboards. I'm using an x570-PLUS right now and it has been solid since purchase.
A lot of their shady practices are on their laptop side. For example their ROG laptops support USB PD as their main way of charging however asus forces you to use their own chargers. If you decide to use a third party USB PD charger (of the same wattage or greater mind you) then your laptop will disable the dedicated GPU and limits your fan speed profile to silent which causes your CPU to throttle under heavy load.
That's... fucking stupid. I didn't realize their other products were such trash.
Same, my last 4 desktops since Sandy bridge were all Asus boards. Not that I'm not paying attention to all the issues people keep having with them lately
OLED Display on my Zenbook unglued itself after month of use. They removed the ability to unlock bootloader in their phones (after repeatedly lying about it returning). Some people sued them and won. I won't buy another Asus product.
When the imposter is ASUS!
Asus has always just seemed like a glossier Acer with higher prices and worse quality.
I personally hate their ROG gamer aesthetic and think whoever came up with that should've been fired and blacklisted from the industry.
Personally I've never had an issue with Asus products but have had numerous quality issues with Acer. Bought a number of small Acer laptops and the hinges kept breaking because they only put one screw in the hold the hinge instead of two in many of them.
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For desktop motherboards I've usually gone MSI but my gaming laptop is an Asus and is a little over a year old. It's worked perfect since I got it and I've had zero problems with it. The Nvidia GPU and laptop fans sure do sing when I'm playing games though
I got an Asus rog strix AMD board in 2019. Still working fine. Like everything I guess, YMMV.
The only issue I've had with it, even after a couple bios updates, is post takes forever. Like 20 seconds.
I actually do have an MSI laptop. I forgot I had read so many negative reviews of the Asus that I went the other direction. After posting that I got on my laptop and realized my mistake and remembered the negative reviews about them
I have a Asus motherbaord and no updates since 2021 time to get hacked by logoFAIL...
My Asus motherboard started bluescreening Windows. After a lot of effort I traced it down to a specific device ID that windows was loading firmware for. No matter what I tried I couldn't get this auto installation to stop. It was a totally random component that added nothing I could tell.
Asus refused to release new firmware be cause the motherboard was "unsupported" even though the box etc has stickers saying it supports windows 10.
After a ton more effort I figured out how to make some low end api calls that eventually stopped this auto installation. It was mostly reliable. I got to crack a lot of jokes to my friends about my motherboard not supporting windows but it was a really hard period for me particularly because Linux gaming wasn't as strong as it is today. I was really big into league of legends at the time and this experience forced me to quit, losing touch with many friends in the process.
At least it got you to stop playing League
All Asus mobos and graphic cards I owned died.
And as in my IT days we had whole rooms of machines with Asus graphics die too.
I avoid Asus components like the plague