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Funny observations now will turn into food and water scarcity later. The 1% will be high and dry (at least while they can grow food without an ecosystem), while the rest of us enjoy unimaginable human suffering on a massive scale.
This warming winter trend just looks like a curiosity now because it is warm when it should be freezing cold right now.
Wait until July comes around ... it will mean drought and extreme heat. Everyone will pump up air conditioning use and push the electric system to the brink. And water, having enough water, will start becoming something that is harder to find.
It does not look good.
In other parts of the world water is definitely a concern, but less so in the Midwest and the great lakes region in particular.
It's the power grid I'm most worried about, since that's probably not going to be too happy about the unusually high continued load.
You'd think but I'm up in Canada near Sudbury Ontario where we are surrounded by lakes and rivers. In many North American cities and towns, they rely on winter snow to replenish drinking water reservoirs in the winter time. That accumulated snow and ice is what drives many of the major rivers and streams and groundwater that fill fresh water reservoirs.
Northern Alberta is starting to feel the effects of drought because of the lack of snow over the years. Canadian prairie cities and towns are also starting to feel the effects of less snow every year.
The great lakes are also not a perpetual supply of fresh water. The majority of the water in those lakes are remnants of run off from the last ice age. The water that's used from the lakes by us is mostly run off from the previous winter snow and ice accumulations that drain into the lakes every year. As soon as our usage takes more water than the amount of winter run off, we are starting to drain the lakes. Sure it might take decades or a century to have a huge effect but immediate effects will be having to move facilities further into the lakes as their water levels drop. Also more algae blooms, contaminated water and more water evaporating faster as the weather warms. On a large open surface, thousands of gallons of water evaporate depending on how warm or hot the weather becomes.
It's a very delicate system of dominos and we've started to tip the scales.
I live against one of the great lakes and I remember growing up there were certain bridges people avoided for month at a time because the rains could make the creeks surge and flood almost 5ft above the bridge.
That particular valley hasn't flooded in almost 10 years now. There haven't been any changes to the way water is handled around here either, no widened waterways or dams to open floodgates on. Just.... Not enough water anymore.
I've got friends and relatives up in James Bay and they haven't been able to open up the winter road properly up there this year. Ten, 20 years ago the winter road season started about a week or two before Christmas and lasted all the way to the first week of April in a good year. Now it realistically only lasts about one month.
The openings they have for the road up there right now is for light vehicles like cars and trucks. The most important reason to have the ice road is heavy transports and they haven't been able to get them up there yet this year.
It's a definite sign of unusually warm weather trends.
I'm not sure you grasp how big the great lakes are. It's about 200 years for the lakes to drain if they entirely stop getting water from tributaries or rain.
Also, the meteorology predictions for how climate change will impact the great lakes region is an increase in precipitation, not a decrease. Much of the drop in levels is because more of the water is spending it's time evaporated or as run off returning to the lakes.
The dynamics at play are complicated. Recently the lakes have been significantly higher than normal and that trend is expected to continue, which creates a whole host of problems.
There are *plenty* of ecological impacts of climate change for the great lakes region, but shortage of drinking water isn't one of them here, specifically.
https://news.agu.org/press-release/great-lakes-levels-are-likely-to-see-continued-rise-in-next-three-decades
https://www.mtu.edu/greatlakes/research-highlights/climate-change-great-lakes/
https://glisa.umich.edu/climate-change-in-the-great-lakes-region-references/
Good points and I agree ... because I live here just north of the Great Lakes region, yes it is getting wetter but mostly at the wrong time of year. We have about less than half the amount of snow we normally get this year ... last week we saw rain in Sudbury in January because it was so warm, which is insane. Usually we would have mounds of snow piled up everywhere this time of year, the kids in the local school yard in my town normally play on a small snowhill that would rise up to about 20/30 feet by now but there's nothing like that this year. The drop in snow and ice is affecting some small towns and village water supplies. Due to lack of snow, the water freezes deeper into lakes and rivers which can freeze intake lines. Snow is important because it acts like an insulator. When a lake freezes, it freezes the top foot of water and it will continue freezing down if there is nothing on top. The thick layer of snow above the ice becomes an insulator that prevents the cold from driving deeper than it has to. Coupled with less water run off, these reservoirs run lower earlier in the year. And that is just in northern Ontario which makes it feel more like an inconvenience rather than a danger. It's having severe effects in the prairies and especially in Alberta.
The little bit of lack of water, winter run off and less snow is why our forests are drying up here ... and it was the main reason why we had such big forest fires last year. I drive around several times to visit family and for work around Timmins / Cochrane / North Bay during the summer and last year it was apparent. In the early spring, everything looks barren and dry and it takes about a month for things to bloom. Normally by about June, everything is a lush green everywhere. Last summer, it never went out of that spring phase in many areas ... it just stayed near blooming and barren trees in many places because there was not enough winter run off. There were heavy rains but they all came at the wrong times and sporadically and just barely enough to keep the forests from becoming fire bombs. By July and August, most places had bloomed but it wasn't a lush green and by the time leaves and the bushes started filling out, the weather was turning cold again. All that meant is that the forests were tinder dry and with the lack of snow we have this winter, I'm really worried that this summer will be a bigger forest fire season than last year. Last year our forests were barely able to stay damp enough to keep from becoming fire hazards and we had a good supply of snow the year before ... this year, you can almost say that we had no snow and coupled with the prospect of a warmer summer, it's going to be a very nervous summer for us because the forests are going to be dry again and they will have less supply of water run off than last year. It's not looking good. It's a good thing my old house has asbestos siding.
The little bit of less snow per winter that we get and the bit of warmer weather we see here may be a nice break from harsh winters but there are a hundred domino effects that will severely affect the lives of everyone everywhere.
additionally power substations have become a favorite target of far-right terrorists. With the election looming, there will probably ramp up attacks around that time as well.
>With the election looming, there will probably ramp up attacks around that time as well.
is there any evidence to support this?
do I have evidence of future acts of terrorism? ...no?
while evidence of the future is impossible, surely you're not just guessing. what makes you think that's a reasonable thing to expect?
Drinking water, maybe. But a large amount of crops are grown in the Midwest and when we have droughts our crop season suffers greatly.
Yup, the shift in rainfall pattern will have much more impact, since it's expected that it's going to shift away from most growing seasons and towards winter and fall.
I don't know if it's still the case, but I recall that it was predicted that the shift would benefit the wine industry in the more hilly regions, and that's about it.
Definitely a problem in the arid US states. One of the very few things that worries me about living in Colorado in the coming years.
For now, at least.
As someone who *hates* winter, I have been guiltily enjoying the warmth. We only had about a two-week cold snap (aka real winter) a month or so ago. I have to keep reminding myself that this is not a good thing.
You'll miss the climate change transition period when the sea rises, the food and fresh water is almost non existent, and the mass migrations begin 😀
I'm sure by March we'll have another vicious cold snap that kills anything that was tricked into thinking it's spring.
Except for the ticks... they were bad last year and I expect them to be worse this year... ugh
Yep. Got almost no snow for the last few years running, and that sucks. Way more bad bugs in the summer, less maple syrup, etc.
Not good.
I'm in QC and it's quite incredible this winter, instead of 0F we have 48F, we had 2 snowstorm in a few days early January, nothing since. I've never saw a winter like this, people were wearing shorts this week-end
It's not as stark of a difference, but in western Washington we've also had a noticeably warm winter. Really just feels like a continuation of fall. Almost the entire winter we've been around 40-50 °F, only had one cold snap that even got down to freezing, into the 20s for 4 days or so.
Last friday it was 60F here in the Detroit area. I took my daughter skiing at one of the local places and you could see the snow melt running down the hill. I saw at least two kids skiing in shorts.
It's been spring in the PNW for weeks. Unless our spring is crazy wet while being cold enough for mountain snow then Oregon, Washington, and BC are just going to be one giant forest fire this summer.
Yup. I've got spring flowers blooming in Seattle.
SoCal checking in, can we have our spring back San Gregornio has enough snowpack.
I live in Taiwan and it hit 90F the other day. I went to the beach today at 24 degrees(75F). We are supposed to get 15C-20C winters. This is not normal.
we had a whole week of winter. last week it was 60F. what snow we had is long gone. it should be more like 0F with at least a couple feet of snow on the ground.
they said 'warm and dry' winter for the upper midwest. they weren't kidding. those extended forecasts don't look promising the rest of the way, either.
Where I live, our winters are typically like this. It's never been particularly stable, often oscillating between spring-like warm weather, standard cold winter weather, and stretches of extreme arctic blasts.
What has been unusual is that we haven't had any snow at all so far, not even an ephemeral flurry. We haven't had any wintry weather (i.e. sleet, snow, freezing rain) this winter. And for that to be the case in mid February is definitely unusual. If we go this entire winter with no wintry weather, it will be the first time in my lifetime that I can recall.
Coincidentally, back in the fall the long term forecasts for this winter were suggesting we would have more wintry weather than normal in this area, since there would be more moisture and more frequently extreme cold events (as well as cooler than normal temps).
Warmer weather during winter has been an obvious trend for decades now. But this year is different. The last few years, we'd have weeks where the snow would thaw in my area but then it would get cold again because that was happening was a storm was pulling warm air up from the south.
This year, we've had the opposite where the default is warm weather and occasionally a storm brings cold air down from the north.
Now this is the second year of an el Nino, so this hopefully isn't the new average case yet. But this year is really exemplifying how much things have changed since the last second year of El Nino we've had. Not even sure when that was (2012?), but I am sure that I've never seen a winter like this before.
Oh yeah, bringing up 2012 reminds me that we're also at the solar maximum part of the sun's cycle.
What I want to know is is this the new normal? I'll go ahead and assume it is, but I don't see anyone saying that.
From what I understand, this is a continually escalating situation taking the planet well past habitability. We've tumbled over tipping point.
Imagine you have traveled on a high plateau with a beautiful view of the land. Now you are on a downhill trail to the woodland base of said plateau and some lone trees are now growing next to the trail. "Every now and then a big tree blocks my view of the beautiful landscape" you complain. "Should I assume this is the new normal" you wonder. Unbeknownst to you just a bit further the trail will enter the forest.
Yes, climate change models predict the Midwest becoming more comfortable. Don't get me wrong it's still bad overall but the Midwest will likely benefit from its climate change in terms of being a relatively comfortable place to ride the storm.
Just to offer this thought: the Roman calendar was very messed up around the time of Julius Caesar. Because of its inaccuracies the seasons would slide around calendar.
So perhaps along with us destroying the environment and the climate's response it could be our calendar is missing some variable that pushes things around seemingly randomly.
This is a flat-earth style take but for the climate.
Is your proposal to find the missing snow by looking at another month then?
Indeed, the Julian calendar would shift. That's why we are on the Gregorian calendar now. The fix some few hundred years ago did involve skipping 11 days though!