Apple unveils iPhone 17 Pro and iPhone 17 Pro Max

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No but it seems like being deliberately obtuse is necessary for your point to have validity.

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Thought I’d match your vibe

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Have I said anything that’s untrue? Or am I just obliged to agree with you? You dismissed Clent’s comment because “Apple’s claims are irrelevant”, so even if they were doing exactly what they say, you wouldn’t accept it. There’s literally no point to this conversation beyond drawing out a disagreement where neither person can categorically be proven correct.

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It's not untrue, it's that you believe it's untrue.

Unless of course you're able to prove that Apple and Google are currently the same with respect to the data they harvest.

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It doesn't exist because I haven't mentioned it? 😂

I'm not here to do your research for you.

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😂 by the very nature of your own point regarding their opacity, you can't defend your claim that what I've said is untrue.

You can't say "we don't know, so you're wrong".

Well, maybe you can, but as I say, you have to be obtuse to do it.

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Yes you did, you said both systems are opaque so I can't have "facts" for you.

So equally, you don't have any to back up your claims either. In fact you went so far as to dismiss a comment by another user where you stated that you're ignoring Apple's claims because they can't prove it because their code is closed. So what's the point?

If the facts someone presents to you can be dismissed by you because you refuse to believe it, then me echoing them won't make any difference will it?

And yet you can happily claim the opposite and say what I'm saying is untrue, with equally as few facts.

You want me to prove my claim that Apple harvests less data, but you haven't got any proof of your claim that they collect the same as Google. All while saying that because the system is opaque that it can't be proved.

This entire conversation is absurd.

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