Iām not vegan or vegeterian. But I feel like that āunless you are doing bothā is kinda a wrong argument to make, even almost bad faith.
Because i could say āah so you are anti work abuse? Curious, you are using a phone made by leveraging abuseā
I think a more honest argument would be to weight the possibilities and the outcomes.
Producing meat does increase the carbon footprint, and the same can be said for flying.
The idea is, how much can beign vegan reduce this footprint, and how much removing unnecessary flights can save? So overall, how much i am saving doing one of those, instead of both?
Also, eating is an everyday activity, flying usually isnāt (in the example you reported)
I have no answers, i just didnāt like the argument
The point Iām trying to make is there are many ways to live more ethically, If youāre a vegan but fly a private jet, you donāt give a fuck about the environment, youāre just pretending you do.
You could also not be a vegan and care more about the environment than a lot of vegans.
I knew a militant vegan who removed the emissions filter from his diesel car, and tuned it to āroll coalā (emit tons of smoke) because he thought it was cool.
Yeah we can agree on that one, of course cognitive dissonance is a thing so itās ok to point it out. (I love animals but i eat meat, so Iām a perfect example)
The important thing is trying to remain civil, and looking for a discussion, rather than trying to dunk on one idea or the other (this in particular to vegans too)
Whom on Lemmy does that apply to?
Anyway, the point being made here is to make better decisions where reasonably possible. If you dive deep enough, absolutely nothing is fully ethical.
Like cleaning up your drive. You have little storage left, so you do a scan with Filelight.
Do you care about:
a) 1,000 20KiB config files
b) 40GiB pacman cache
c) 50GiB of music
You can probably just get rid of pacman cache, but with the size, you might just as well get rid of your music, no? Whatās the point of removing pacman cache if your music is worse?
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And calling out some hypocrisies.
Most people are only willing to make sacrifices for animals/the-environment as long as it suites their lifestyle.
OMG Iāll never eat fish thatās murder. š”
12h+ flight flight to go on holiday š„ŗšš Whoopsie
Iām not vegan or vegeterian. But I feel like that āunless you are doing bothā is kinda a wrong argument to make, even almost bad faith.
Because i could say āah so you are anti work abuse? Curious, you are using a phone made by leveraging abuseā
I think a more honest argument would be to weight the possibilities and the outcomes.
Producing meat does increase the carbon footprint, and the same can be said for flying.
The idea is, how much can beign vegan reduce this footprint, and how much removing unnecessary flights can save? So overall, how much i am saving doing one of those, instead of both?
Also, eating is an everyday activity, flying usually isnāt (in the example you reported)
I have no answers, i just didnāt like the argument
Fair enough,
The point Iām trying to make is there are many ways to live more ethically, If youāre a vegan but fly a private jet, you donāt give a fuck about the environment, youāre just pretending you do.
You could also not be a vegan and care more about the environment than a lot of vegans.
I knew a militant vegan who removed the emissions filter from his diesel car, and tuned it to āroll coalā (emit tons of smoke) because he thought it was cool.
Thereās a lot of nuance
Yeah we can agree on that one, of course cognitive dissonance is a thing so itās ok to point it out. (I love animals but i eat meat, so Iām a perfect example)
The important thing is trying to remain civil, and looking for a discussion, rather than trying to dunk on one idea or the other (this in particular to vegans too)
100% agree, I feel if people chill out and accept imperfection theyād get more people on their side.
Why I donāt like being left wing sometimes
Whom on Lemmy does that apply to?
Anyway, the point being made here is to make better decisions where reasonably possible. If you dive deep enough, absolutely nothing is fully ethical.
Like cleaning up your drive. You have little storage left, so you do a scan with Filelight.
Do you care about:
a) 1,000 20KiB config files
b) 40GiB pacman cache
c) 50GiB of music
You can probably just get rid of pacman cache, but with the size, you might just as well get rid of your music, no? Whatās the point of removing pacman cache if your music is worse?
reducto absurdum, Iām just trying to make a point / get a message across.
Iād be surprised if anyone here flies a private jet.
Yes there is no true way to live ethically, you will cause the death of hundreds of vibrates just by being alive.