This is a real "AI" ad from the US government about the end of the mandatory use of the auto start-stop.
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This is a real “AI” ad from the US government about the end of the mandatory use of the auto start-stop.
This is from the official Whitehouse Instagram.
Only things I can see that gives it away that the video is generated is the red car’s brake lights being on while accelerating. The obvious stereotypes of bule haired lesbians vs the blonde.
Also they have no insignias on the cars but that’s definitely a Prius and idk what the red car is, the red car might not exist in real life.
Spoting generated videos is going to get harder. However if it’s obvious propaganda from the state then you should be suspicious.
It’s impressive for generated video even though it is stupid as fuck. I won’t get too in the weeds about why this is stupid as the point of the post is more about the use of AI in state sponsored propaganda.
Just to get it out of the way, here is why this is a stupid policy: - Auto stop helps fuel economy by 7% - 26% - my 10+ year old car has auto stop, it can be disabled with a button, and if it needs to turn on the ac, the engine will auto start. - Auto stop has nothing to do with the cost of cars increasing, it’s the regime’s terrible policies and other factors that have driven prices up. - Hybrid cars like the Prius will use the electric engine at a stop. - forcing car companies to change features because the US president said so will increase manufacturing costs and prices.
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The whole thing is a lie. My conventionally attractive hetero wife wanted a hybrid Toyota minivan over a Tahoe. It hauls ass, AC traction motors provide instant torque from a stop and the engine fires up while spinning - zero lag. 100% smooth acceleration. Priuses surely work exactly the same way.
Conservatives need to be reminded that these are the kind of lies that manipulated them into giving total control of the US government to pedophile “elites”.
My brother is planning on a sienna as the ultimate camper van. Big enough to kit out as a camper, efficient enough to travel widely, tons of range to actually get there, drives like a car. Easily converted back to car when he wants to sell. Apparently it even has dog mode or camp mode or similar, so he can choose to use the hvac at a campground without a noisy generator
What is the meaning of dog mode?
As far as I know, pioneered by Tesla, but also in at least the Sienna and Rivian …
A special mode to let you leave your dog in the car. Typically hvac on so the animal doesn’t freeze or overheat, possibly locked controls and internal alarm sensors so animal can’t get in trouble, soothing music if you want it, and a message lit up on the screen so any concerned citizens know the animal is ok. I believe the Tesla lets you use the internal camera on vehicles that have that, sto check on the animal
Camp mode is somewhat similar idea but humans don’t need the lit up screen. Usually turns off interior lights so someone can go out to the bathroom in the middle of the night without the lights coming on while everyone is sleeping
Meanwhile I’ve known enough rural queer women to know you may have to ride in the jankiest self upgraded pickup you ever saw in order to get laid as a lesbian in some parts of this country. And yes, they will mock short bed trucks
I agree with most you say, just two things: red car teleports from right to left of the prius, and auto startstop is a software feature and can literally be flashed to be off by default.
Some cars like mine have a physical button to disable it. But I didn’t notice the teleportation.
Right, but if you turn off auto startstop then turn the ignition off and on again, auto startstop will be on again. You can (pay someone to) mod the ECU to have auto startstop off by default. It’s not super common though.
I drive a newish Chinese car and it does not reset from factory. The button has a persistent state and I have to go through 3 menus on the touch screen to toogle it. Drives me mad as I want to disable the start-stop very rarely in humid conditions and remembering to turn it back on is a chore.
Interesting, I’m most familiar with VAG cars so this is news for me. Thanks for telling me something new.
yeah, it was the first time for me as well. I thought the re-enabling on each start was mandated by law (as well as stuff like ESP and emergency collision avoidance), but this car lets me disable anything, forever (well, it glitches sometimes and resets settings to factory, thankfully all the things I want disabled are displayed on screen)
I’m not sure it’s possible to hate this administration more than I already do. But everyday they’re out here, making the absolute most dogshit choices available, trying to reach a new high score. I’m not speaking in hyperbole when I say that drumpf is literally the antichrist.
So many levels of wrong. That’s a gen 2, maybe 3 Prius. Both of which have instant electric torque and scroll style AC compressors which run with the engine off. Excellent cars which are still good value today.
Can confirm. Drive a ’14 Gen 3 and it’s been pretty damn reliable in the ~10 years I’ve owned it. Looking at a midrange EV in the next year or two tho. Got the Prius cuz I was driving 90 miles a day. I drive maybe 15 now.
I once rented the cheapest three cylinder Renault to drive in the mountainous terrain in 40 degree heat. The car barely managed to go uphill but not once I had problems with the AC or the start stop system. In the heat the car would stop the engine and then turn it back on as soon as temperature deviated from the set target. This would repeat two to three times, then it would just preemptively show a message on the screen saying “prioritizing thermal comfort” when stopped. The start-stop would resume as usual when it got cooler, no input was required at all.
Never got the hate for the feature, you just have to remember to jerk the steering wheel a bit before the light change if starting 1.5 seconds earlier is critical.
At least some of the problems that are reported from auto start stop are because people don’t understand that battery load can cause it to not operate at all (I. e. not stop the vehicle running) meaning they don’t get the cost savings on gas. Or that eventually your battery will need to be changed and it needs to be an AGM battery.
Every other time I’ve seen there be a problem it was because something was badly manufactured and there was a subsequent recall.
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That sounds like a defect. It obviously shouldn’t happen in a new or even used car being sold by a dealer.
In any case, I’m not really defending Auto Start/Stop so much as I’m pointing out that the problems with it are either recall/manufacturer defect related or user ignorance.
The only reason it exists is to give better fuel efficiency (and less emissions) because that’s a regulation through the NTSB. So I do wonder (if they did get rid of the requirement) how car companies would work within the ever more stringent fuel efficiency requirements.
At this rate my guess is Hybrids or full electric vehicles.
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That feels more like shitty electronics rather than something inherent for start stop. Sometimes my car fails to figure out that it’s time to engage the clutch and I’m sitting and revving like an idiot without moving. Modern cars are terrible, unfortunately, parts for older cars are terrible as well.
Absolute shit tier, even down to the “ugly blue haired lesbian” stereotype.
Perhaps my Prius is different but the AC doesn’t turn off when I stop. When the car is not demanding power it runs off the battery this includes the AC. The engine comes on when I sit for too long but I assume that would be the case with any start stop system. With the windows are down your not going to get much cooling anyway. The age of that Prius could also do with a refilling the AC coolers if they are not getting the temp down. This is such a weird point to run on and one that has been solved with newer cars.
No car does this, not even my purely internal combustion engine car that’s 10+ years old. This is a generated video that is promoting a fake solution to a fake problem as a real distraction.
I was legitimately confused what they were even attacking since auto start/stop has been so inconsequential in my life that I didn’t even notice they were randomly trying to attack something nobody has ever complained about. Thanks you clarifying, lol.
The ineffectiveness of the ad is probably the fault of AI, too, I suppose. It’s a dogshit ad by any marketing standard, anyway, and I can’t imagine the minds at the Whitehouse producing a non-AI ad of better quality, lol.
This is the epitome of focus group politics when the only people in the focus group are idiots.
Of course they conveniently place two blue-haired “liberal” women in the car with the auto start stop to “own the libs”
I’m not a fan of auto start and stop but I think it’s because I am older. I never owned a reliable car before 2003 so it’s pretty ingrained in my head that when the engine unexpectedly shuts off, it may not start again. I think it’s a trauma response to owning pieces of shit for a decent chunk of my life.
My 100k+ mile can can attest that Auto stop has little to do with car lifespan. I’ve never even needed to replace the starter.
I drive a 2016 Audi A3 and the auto start stop feature was really janky. The engine always came back on but it was sluggish to do so and a bit jerky. I programmed the ECU to disable it and the car drives quite a bit better as a result. Not sure if it’s just a clunky early implementation of the feature on my car or what
It sucks so much for ICE engines at stop signs in rural areas, when needing to turn left, or anything other than roads with lots of stoplights. It is frequently dangerous because it keeps the vehicle from moving, making driving unpredictable.
Disabling it increased my mileage slightly, because I am rarely ever stopped for the 10 seconds or so it takes to be worthwhile. I could see it being a benefit in a city, but would rather just have mass transportation instead.
I think like others have pointed out, it kinda needs to be paired with a hybrid electric motor so you get that instant start and just enough time for the gas engine to kick in. My next car will be electric but I only drive like 4k miles a year so it will be a good long time before I get anything new. My 2016 Jeep is still not at 40k miles. It will be interesting (and I look forward) to going from a six speed manual transmission to full electric.
No, a hybrid is not needed. It’s in my car which is just a normal internal combustion engine and it works fine. Going over 100k miles.
… somehow the US government still manages to surprise me. It even has product placement worked into it?
There are preschoolers with fingerpaint and construction paper making better graphics than this and the current administration should not be allowed within 1000 yards of any of them.
The AC system is electric in the Prius. It doesn’t just kick-in when stopped. Its electric all the time. If the battery goes low, then the engine is turned on.
Didn’t the white House literally have a used Tesla dealership on the front lawn? I’m getting mixed messages.
I hate auto stop. It always freaks me out and I dislike how the AC stops working when I stop at a light. So, I did something about it and got an EV. Bonus points, my EV does 0-60 in 2.6 seconds which is far faster than any sportscar I’ve ever been on, including Ferraris.
I did also the first time I used startstop, but that was more than a decade ago. Even back then it eventually came back on for the ac - just allowed a larger than normal temperature change. I’m sure they’ve gotten better but even back then you do more or less get used to it. Eventually. Combining that with series hybrid or plugin hybrid should make it really shine.
Which EV accelerates that fast? I’m just asking because mine needs 3.3s and I want to know which car could beat me.
BMW i4 M50. BMW claims 2.9. Car & Driver tested 2.6.
Sounds like a fun car. I’ll keep that in mind if I ever come across that model. I already had the BMW iX M60, Audi RS e-tron GT and various Tesla Performance models on my list of cars that could beat me.
To be honest, I would love to see more fast electric cars here on the German Autobahn. Then I wouldn’t have to hold back so often when driving behind “slow” combustion engines that think they can’t be overtaken at 100 mph. Especially if they have more than 400 hp.
Not sure on the auto stop being a good thing from the get-go. Co-worker’s work truck has auto stop in it. It’s on its second starter motor at this point, though that may be down to the fact it’s a Ford, more than anything else.
I’ll be honest, fuck trump, but FUCK STOP START. That shit is dangerous as hell and is asking to leave you stranded at an intersection after dieing the millionth time using your starter.
Women look at the red car to the right, then the red car is on left when it accelerates. No human producer would make that mistake.
The brake lights aren’t the only thing. When the camera changes and the red car is zooming away you can see the cross streets change and maybe even has a stop light extremely high on a telephone pole?
I live in an extremely humid area, and I can tell immediately when the engine stops, because it starts bringing in the heavy, outside air. I turn off auto stop every single time. I’d prefer not to have it in my car.
On the other hand, obviously fuck this bullshit ad. The content of the ad is gross, the use of stereotypes is gross, the fact that it’s generative AI is gross, and it’s especially gross that all this is coming from the government. I’m disgusted by this whole thing, and it’s only 8AM, which is actually a little late in the day to start feeling disgusted by the Trump regime now that I think about it.
I also just noticed that the street looks very different depending on whether the camera is placed behind the cars or behind the cars but higher up, at the 13th second of the video there is a noticeable change.
I hate auto stop. Its just an excuse for automanfautures to produce larger vehicles while claiming better “fuel economy”, but at the cost of higher maintenance. There should have been a push for hybirds and phev’s which have far greater fuel economy without the negative maintenance costs.
There is some added complexity but the way they restart the engine without using the started motor pretty clever and avoids added wear on the starter motor. It’s mostly just new software as far as I know.
I was wrong, looks like most of them do use the starter, even if they use a charge in the cylinder. https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15126526/engine-stop-start-technology/
Some will have beefier starters. Some just charge more for a longer warrenty and be exactly same as the non-stop-start models. (Which doesnt help when you get stranded and have to call for a tow)
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People forget that emissions reduction isn’t just about global climate change but also local air quality. Sure, it doesn’t matter as much in rural areas where there are fewer cars. However, in large cities it adds up and makes air quality plummet. People have a right to fresh air. Idiots are going to bring back smog and increase lung cancer because of a minor annoyance that most people don’t even notice.
You forgot that the only government policy is “owning the libs”.
Pointing out factual inaccuracies is irrelevant when the entire execute branch is bananas.
And science and health experts are largely libs. So owning them involves a lot of self destructive bullshit like making measles great again and polluting everything.
That was a huge difference I noticed after driving an electric car for a few days. ICE cars stink, real bad, we’re all just used to them and we ignore it.
The entire video is WTF material. The AI-generated part is the least of my worries.
It’s diabolical really. Remember the first generated videos of Will Smith eating spaghetti? That was 3 years ago.
You couldn’t really trust anything anymore on the internet when more sophisticated tools like OpenAIs Sora had been released to the open world. It’s not even been half a year and we now have full on nation state level propaganda that one can barely keep apart from a real video (if at all).
This one is so packed with stereotypes and “hidden” messages that you could dissect it in a school lesson on propaganda / post generative AI media.
They are on the right side of the Porsche but look to their right?? I’d say that’s another one of the flubs here.
Y’know, just on top of all of the disgusting bullshit that they’re trying to say with the video itself. Fuck I can’t wait til you yanks do something about this shit down there (please).
we’re working on it like you’re working on brexit.
aka, hopefully both of us will live through the trying times the idiots drag us through.
Well I’m Canadian but we’ve got our own idiots so we’ve always gotta do our bit.
This ad is not only about cars. It’s a political ad where “blue haired lesbian Democrats get dusted by a beautiful blonde Republican woman”. This is what they’re trying to convey.
It’s a stupid policy but it’s playing to the base of stubborn idiots and boomers. I know of several boomers that get irrationally angry at the fact that their engine stops and they have to wait a quarter of a second sometimes for their brand new car to start at a red light. You point out that this gives an appreciable increase in fuel economy, sometimes significant, and they don’t give a shit because they’re selfish assholes who would destroy the entire world to not be inconvenienced for the briefest of moments.
Those people will remember this
There something else wrong with their Prius if the AC blows hot when running on the drive battery. Also, the Prius is snappy off the line and powerful out of a turn… but comparing an AI “sexy coke” Ferrari to an AI “neo-liberal gay” Prius is just stupid. They even zoom out like it was a legit drag race.
Interesting back windshield wiper that only wipes half the windshield.
Even today, the rear wiper is comically small on some cars.
Red car is on the passenger side first, then suddenly on the drivers side.
Idling engines chap my ass. But TINSTAAFL.
Auto stop is terrible for engines; the majority of engine wear in passenger automobiles occurs at startup. Also, during auto stop, the catalytic converter cools down a bit, so emissions go up. More wear —> more emissions —> more waste.Edit: For my rebuttal, I started digging into this. While the sources I found are still “auto technician says so,” it looks like engines with auto-stop are built for more start-stop cycles. I was operating on outdated information. Automobile engines were/are typically designed for 100k to 150k starts. In trying to find more information about auto-stop, the overall consensus seems that auto-stop engines are designed for >300k starts. Moreover, there seem to be some accounts indicating that exhaust temperature is part of the auto-stop monitoring, which would make sense and keep the emissions controls running properly.
So, thanks to @borkborkbork, @0ops, and @Janx for prompting me to get updated information.
But as a bike commuter, auto stop was pleasant in traffic, at least until everyone suddenly started up again and then stomped on the pedal.
The wholesale gutting of all attempts at environmental protection is an interesting choice for the “protect the children” party. But even as an avid car hater,
I’m not sure this is a huge loss.Source? Modern engines have special bearings and oil systems to put up with ASS systems. Emissions do not go up, otherwise it would have been killed by CAFE long ago.
Any reputable sources for your claims? My understanding is that vehicles that have auto start-stop are designed differently. It’s vastly different from turning off your vehicle without the feature at every stoplight.
The starter motors are better, and the oils are thinner now in all vehicles, but there is still more wear in start stop vehicles than In the same ones where it’s been disabled.
Cold startup. Oil temps don’t instantly drop the second the engine shuts off. The only real additional wear is on the starter, flywheel, and battery, but then every auto start system I’ve heard of is overbuilt specifically to deal with that.
The car’s not emitting at all when it’s stopped. Any emissions prevented by idling to keep the cat hot are dwarfed by what was emited to…do nothing except keep the cat hot. It’s like spending $5 to save $1.
Look buddy I don’t even like auto-stop and my car’s too old to have it anyway, but this is misinformation
you had me at overbuilt. Since thats the system that like to die I would be psyched at a vehicle having it hardened.
this would be true for a pre-2000 car. systems designed for it not so much.