PieFedCIA deputy director’s son killed while fighting for Russia in Ukraine, investigation claims
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Michael Gloss, 21, was the son of CIA Deputy Director for Digital Innovation Julianne Gallina Gloss, and Iraq war veteran Larry Gloss.
Before arriving in Russia on August 13, 2023, Gloss was travelling around Europe. On his Vkontakte page bio, he wrote: "I ran away from home (and) traveled the world. I hate fascism."
On April 4, 2024, he was killed, likely during a Russian offensive near Bakhmut, however, his burial in the U.S. did not take place until December 2024, Important Stories reports.
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eco-activist, women’s rights supporter, and anti-fascist
fighting for Russia
ummm, something doesn't compute
TakapapatapakaFrom the end of the article
But despite supporting Ukraine at the beginning of the full-scale war, he was at a military recruitment center in Moscow, alongside other foreign nationals, on September 5, 2023, Russian border data shows.
His social media posts show a distinct change in his views — one identified by Important Stories as belonging to Gloss suggest he believed in conspiracy theories involving Ukraine, and claimed NATO was an evolution of Adolf Hitler's Nazi party.
Either extremely impressionable, or maybe had his account handed over after he was pulled off the street and conscripted into a ruzzian meat wave.
Either way, tragic waste of human life, being anywhere near involvement with their military.
It seems they convinced him that NATO and Ukraine are Nazis. Typical stuff from the play book. Dude just went all in on it. Pretty sad, he had his whole life ahead of him.
Who'd guess the cia deputy director would raise such a gullible piece of shit
I remember times when I rebelled against my parents and did some pretty stupid shit, but kids today are on a different level.
Not sure about your upbringing, but I know I also didn't really have the means to do anything truly stupid.
Where'd this kid get the resources to go globe-trotting to a freaking war-embattled fascist state? That's what blows my mind. Someone responsible for him was complicit in his self destruction.
ArxCyberwolfSome people consider Ukraine to be a neonazi stronghold. So fighting Ukraine would be fighting against fascist nazis.
That logic is prevalent with conspiracy nuts/scammers like Alex Jones.
The way these "theories" are thrown around these days with such an air of legitimacy is truly terrifying.
This absolute miracle of communication at our fingertips, and it's 99% noise, dangerous noise, vying to worm its way into whatever cracks in the human psyche it can find. At the least harmful, it's persuading ads. And on the other end, people are flying out to go join ISIS or Ruzzia because they got algorithmed into a Facebook group or absorbed enough TikTok radiation.
I miss when the internet "wasn't real life."
peregrin5Just look at ML or Hexbear right here on Lemmy. The tankies love Putin and Xi. Horseshoe is a law not a theory.
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I like this version of horseshoe theory, but when you put the far left out on its on tine of the horseshoe its not a horseshoe anymore. This is why horseshoe theory is garbage.
I keep seeing this image repeated on Lemmy but I don't buy it. It's just an attempt for leftists to distance themselves from tankies. If you're left but not a tankie, you are just center-left. Only tankies are far-left
What are anarchists? They are no tankies but also not center-left.
They aren't on the political spectrum at all because they don't believe in any kind of governance.
Tankies have almost nothing in common with the far left outisde teenagers who haven't worked out the fundemental flaws with communism yet. Beyond those teenagers most left wing folk consider tankies to be pretty right wing.
Tankies have almost nothing in common with the far left
This doesn't make sense because tankies are the far left. What you're thinking of as far left is actually center left.
But tankies almost universally want authoritarianism and dictatorships? those are far right positions. The left tends to want some flavour of socialist democracy. Tankies are left like China is communist.
Today's tankies (appropriately to the name) are pro authoritarianism and it just "happens" that's what far right Russia is. Even China isn't truly a communism, but they are both authoritarian.
You can be both pro-authoritarian and far left. In fact, that's kind of the definition of far left.
Yes pro authoritarian far left that's basically communism.
China is hardly a communism right now, Russia definitively isn't a communism. So the current tankies that are worshipping Russia and China aren't really for communism, they are only pro authoritarianism.
They are actually more aligned with MAGA than anything, the only difference is just that they don't have problem openly supporting Russia and China.
Since this is world community there are people in other countries, and might be different definition what's far left. But in US what authoritarians are labeling as far left are people who still want liberal democracy, but with social programs (what you have in EU, especially in Scandinavian countries). The "furthest left" politicians, Bernie Sanders is basically advocating for medical care for all Americans and taxes on rich. Basically so the government works for the people but against them.
yes if everyone would just embrace centrism we'd be in a better place, simply participating in war crimes and slowly grinding down and hollowing out the US populace, instead of quickly...right peregrin5?
Let me guess, you didn't vote in 2024, and bitched about Democrats the entire time. How's the Trump regime working out for you kreskin?
Horseshoe "theory" is generally used to attack progressives to promote centrism. Its a DNC tool and you're the chump using it.
You're a chump that thinks the Democrats are out to attack progressives. Maybe don't be an uneducated dork.
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TattorackEven if that were true, what does that have to do with Ukraine?
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But of course! Those poor Russians just had to do a whole invasion, entirely out of self defense!
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Ukraine is the country being invaded. Russia is the one invading. That is as simple as it is. You invade = you are the aggressor = you are the evil one.
SquirrelannaI'm almost positive that widespread interest in Ukraine joining NATO spiked in popularity AFTER the invasion started and wasn't even taken seriously until then. So... Russia really created their own problem in that regard.
NATO does not expand (invade to grab land), it is based on voluntary membership application (although it is not truly volunteer since they are being forced, antagonized to join due to russia expansionism). New members are only accepted through vote. "NATO expansion" is well known as putin/FSB propaganda meant for a certain naive audience.
NATO borders with russia are the most peaceful with the low number of russian troops. Internally, Russia is not concerned about NATO, a defense alliance since Russia has the highest number of nukes.
In the media, they will use NATO expansion propaganda because there are naive clowns and useful idiots who will believe in NATO expansion propaganda. Do remember russia was fine with Ukriane joining NATO, they saw they can use it as propaganda to justify russia expansionism. http://www.en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/21598.
Ukraine public support for joining NATO was in the minority before the war, and only after invasion it became majority. Even after Ukraine said they won't apply to NATO, russia didn't not stop its expansion because russia expansion has nothing to do with NATO.
In fact due to russia aggressive expansion even more countries applied to join NATO. Putin knew that russia expansion will encourage more to submit application to join NATO. Putin was warned to stop russia expansion as that just cause more to apply for NATO membership, it is open to anyone. Furthermore note that expanding russia territories just bring russia closer to NATO, increasing russia border with NATO. Clearly it is not about NATO.
Even, without using NATO, putin will come up with a new reason like nazis, terrorists or LGBTQ or WMDs or security issues ( a country with the most nukes in the world has a security issue? only naive clowns will believe that) or restoring empire/imperialism (which he admitted in interview with carlson) or all of the above each for a different audience. Whatever it takes to get crimea and its warm water ports, and later Donbas for a land bridge and to secure Crimea water supply. Eventually going all the way to Transnistria.
You think things are so simple as poor top nuclear powered russia who is scared of evil tiny Ukraine, for suggesting sending in membership application form to NATO. You are being naive at best. War does not work like a superhero movie.
NATO was created to protect small countries from russia expansionism and stop russia from antagonizing its neighbours.
Russia was even member of G8 until russia antagonized G8 members by invasion of Crimea. The only way a massive nuclear powered russia sees NATO as a "threat" is that NATO prevents russia from expansionism... from expanding russia territories.
I hate fascism.
So he fought for Putin to invade Ukraine? That's some top tier thinking there.
Bro didn't like that Israel invaded Gaza, so he joined Russian army in their invasion of Ukraine to make it right 🤷♂️
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Oh no. Anyways
I hate fascism so I join the Russian army
I hate having to watch mental gymnastics like that right before going to sleep. How dumb is you
How does someone keep a security clearance high enough to be a CIA Deputy Director when you have a child fighting in a foreign army?
SanctusI certainly don't recommend following the link to his obituary from the article and reading the entries in the traitor's tribute book.
Example of some of those entries:
Edit: Somebody noticed.
Since they took the page down...
tigeruppercutThe obit got pulled already
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Oh--I can't see an edit or a spoiler, but I appreciate the screenshots.
Interesting, are you using a web browser or one of the apps?
Here are the posts I grabbed before the killjoys answered their urgent texts to shut it all down:
Ended up answering my own question once I remembered the button that sent me to the lemmy.zip version of the thread, seems like that instance is failing to fetch the updates rather than this being a browser/app issue. That's also why I'm double-replying to this comment rather than editing my other one here. Might be worth a message to the .zip instance admin(s) in case something's busted, just going to check around first and see if it's a known issue.
Edit that you might not see for a while: Looks like they've been doing some updates and other maintenance recently, might just take some time for the dust to settle from all of that. Can see the federation status between .world and .zip here.
Interesting, looks like it's visible from almost all other instances, although I did find a couple where it's not. I can't see any differences due to lemmy version either (most instances are 19.11, where the edit is visible, but midwest.social is also on .11 and it's not visible-- whereas lemmy.nz is on .10 and it's also not there). Maybe I'll shoot a message over to admin like you suggested.
Thx for posting the screenshots
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Looks like they've been doing some updates and other maintenance recently, might just take some time for the dust to settle from all of that. Can see the federation status between .world and .zip here.
Seems like they're aware of ongoing issues, maybe give it a couple days and see if things improve first. In any event, my pleasure. Gotta preserve art when you find it.
Completely aside from what he was doing in Russia, he gives me the same vibe as Ché Cook from The OC.
There’s a ton of comments about this on r/securityclearance about this and how crazy it is his parents still have clearances.
Hahaha he hates fascists, fights for one and gets ganked. LOL. GJ nerd, didn't you know, dieing is what the Orks do?
I encourage any MAGA to be outraged, and join the Russian army to exact their revenge on behalf of one of their own.
Hated fascism
Fought for Russia voluntarily
Hm.
Ran away from home as an adult, lolz
I can relate. sometimes shit gets toxic late in life.
"I hate fascism" and then fighting for Russia however...... damn bro.
His social media posts show a distinct change in his views — one identified by Important Stories as belonging to Gloss suggest he believed in conspiracy theories involving Ukraine, and claimed NATO was an evolution of Adolf Hitler's Nazi party.
As always, the root villain is engagement-driven social media.
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I recognise one of those names: Hans Speidel was part of the plot to assassinate Hitler (by detonating a briefcase explosive), and was later arrested by the Gestapo. He also famously didn’t relay Hitler’s orders to bombard Paris with V1 and V2 rockets to his superior.
I can kind of understand why someone like him led NATO forces.
Don’t know about the rest of them though.
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Why...? Did you look at a geopolitical map of Europe during that period? If you did you'd act less surprised that the commander of the NATO forces of central Europe happens to often be a high ranking officer from central Europe. Germany specifically, the very country cut in half between west and east alignment and the epicenter of a lot of cold war shit, and not from Italy or Belgium or Denmark which are not located in Central Europe.
Give the tankie conspiracies a rest.
Your sentiment here betrays a misunderstanding of the way war works. People who fight in wars for years or decades (which was very common at the point in history you're referencing) were often "just" in the business of fighting in wars. There were people who fought on two different sides of the same "ideological" conflict. The mechanics of fighting a war are fairly separate from the political and ideological ends of the war.
The most simple answer: We wanted as many Germans to eventually use against the Soviets. Anyone who was not a big name was kept around for the eventual return of the West German Military. Same with scientists and operation paperclip. The soviets did the same to eventually be used against the rest of Europe.
ihatebirdsI'm gonna need sources for that chief or else you're just spreading tankie propaganda
I was wondering, so I checked out the first guy on Wikipedia. The image isn't lying about him, but the chief of staff part is sensationalizing it a bit. Dude was a career soldier since world War one, rose through the ranks and was chief of staff for an entirety of two weeks. Neither the German nor the English Wikipedia article on him really shine a clear light on his opinions. But he was definitely involved in the planning for military operations of the Nazis against the soviet union, and hunting down "partisans" in the occupied areas. According to the German wiki, one biographer claims that he did that as "humanely as possible given the circumstances" and "taking care of civilians as much as possible" (quotes roughly translated by myself), whereas some other historian cites some evacuation event at that time as clear evidence that he wasn't that humane.
I personally feel quite confident in calling him a Nazi. He stood next to Hitler during the stauffenberg bombing and got injured (that was while he was chief of staff), He was suspected of being involved in the planning, but there was no evidence. And apparently he told the Gestapo everything he knew about the attackers, fully supporting the investigation against the conspirators. (to be clear, that last part isn't stated like that in the articles, but I think it is a fair interpretation of what it sais). He also saw it as a duty of a Soldier in the Reich to fight on the east front, despite explicitly believing that that fight was a lost cause, and that many would die a needless death.
After the war, he gave testimony at the Nürnberg trials, and later worked together with the US army building up west German forces against the communists. (my personal interpretation: he had experience fighting against Russia, so they kept him involved.) Dwight Eisenhower liked him so much, he involved him majorly in the development of some European defense forces. At that point I got tired of reading, and only skimmed over the rest. Stuff continued, he built up the west German army, and later got his job at NATO. I did not read up on what that job actually was, and what he did in that role. But at this point I have no reason to doubt that it was a high level position, doing strategic stuff against the Soviets.
So, the guy was surely a Nazi, definitely a chief of staff under Hitler, and he did later hold a high position at NATO. Why would I call the image sensationalizing it, when it's true? Cause explicitly calling him "Chief of Staff under Hitler" in the way it is in the image to me implies to me that he was a major thought leader in fashism. But everything I read about him makes him more the just-following-orders type of Nazi. Still a Nazi though.
I also kinda understand how he ended up at NATO. I see it as a product of it's time, and something we should acknowledge. US took in Nazi scientists to put people on the moon, and they apparently also took in (high ranking) Nazi soldiers to prepare/fight against the Soviets. But to me this doesn't necessarily imply some Nazi conspiracy inside NATO. I don't think someone like that should be in a top level position in that organization today. But he was, and given the circumstances, he was probably even a fitting choice. That alone should be reason enough to do better today.
Sources: the English and German Wikipedia articles on Adolf Heusinger. Was my first time reading up on him, on mobile on a train. Hope I did enough to separate what the articles said about the guy from my interpretation on it.
Adolf Heusinger: Started in 1915 under the German Empire. Stayed on after WW1 and rose to command in 1938 for the wehrmacht. Went on to serve with West Germany.
Hans Speidel: Similar story, possibly involved in a coup.
Johannes Steinhoff: Fighter ace during WW2, flew through the whole war with 176 victories. The Luftwaffe was comparatively treated very well due to their treatment of allied soldiers. Most Luftwaffe members were not punished for the war.
Johan von Kielmansegg: Joined in 1926 under the Weimar Republic. Served with the general staff at the Prussian Military Academy, and was the General Staff officer to the Wehrmacht high command. Possibly involved in a coup.
Seems they were all Wehrmacht or Luftwaffe, were respected, and did not have a besmirchment like knowing about the death camps.
AatubeHeusinger only became Acting Chief of General staff in 1944 for a month until he got blown up by said coup.
Yes, and there were plenty of high level Nazi who rose to power in East Germany..... Just because Vincenz Müller was chief of staff for the east German army doesn't mean the Soviets were an evolution of the Nazi state.
It just means that both sides utilized Germans to deter or lead a conflict that was likely going to take place in Germany, and that pretty much all Germans with military or political experience post WW2 were at some point Nazi.
Pretty much all Germans with any experience post WW2 were in some way nazis. As I understand it, you had to be a party member to hold any important job.
Something like an actual true NATO-nazi conspiracy is how nazi chief of staff and war criminal Franz Halder ended up avoiding the Nuremberg trials and working with the US Army Historical Division and the coming founder of the CIA to create the myth of a clean and non-political Wehrmacht.
But any reasonable person will understand that that was an enemy-of-my-enemy kind of deal. (We all know NATO are secretly Islamists as proven by Operation Cyclone.)
…So?
Poking through some of their history (Ernst and Karl), looks like they were indeed Nazi commanders. They served lower ranks after the war, got more education/experience and rose again to perform well within NATO.
Maybe I'm naive, but I believe horrible people can go on to do good things, and that’s fine. I think my favorite character archetype for this is General Iroh in Avatar, who was involved in unspeakable genocide, changed, and ultimately toppled his own dynasty. He’s one of the most beloved characters in fiction, but a quick bio of his in an image would get him utterly crucified as a terrible human being.
Hence drive by image posts kinda like this without context/history, on the other hand, largely provoke outrage. It’s exactly the kind of thing that would trend on the Twitter algorithm and obliterate any nuance. That’s not necessarily your intent, but it’s kinda the aggregate effect.
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The source doesn’t matter, it’s more about the example, and idea.
More bluntly, horrible people (like nazis) can go on to do good things in life. That’s okay.
On the other hand, posting the picture without a ton of context seems to reinforce the very thing you are worried about:
someone MIGHT get the impression there was something fishy going on at NATO from the get-go
When that doesn’t seem to be the case. Nazis, tankies, whatever populist group you can name operate on negative quick impressions to sow doubt and anger with institutions.
I searched the first guy up. He was only Chief of (General) Staff for a month in acting, during which he got blown up sitting next to Hitler during the assassination plot. Before that, he was the Operations Chief, but the High Command for the Army had little control as Hitler made it bureaucratically compete with the High Command for the Wehrmacht (combined armed forces) so that he was the one in command. The German Army also didn't include the Waffen-SS, the forces that carried out the atrocities. And you're including a (famous but) normal pilot on that list as example of Nazi infiltration by #3?
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One can find reasons to back any cause; posting some set of reasons often comes off as a tacit endorsement, though I get now that that wasn’t your intention.
Were there not any Allied military officers that were qualified?
Nothing in the image says they didn’t have more Allied officers.
Good riddance and a minuscule loss. The NATO supplied tungsten is working. Did the CIA know where this dumbfuck ended up?
This is the worst Disney secret agent teen action tv show ever.
His obit linked from that article got pulled, but @betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world posted some screenshots in the other thread
So nothing important was lost. 🌻🌻
Would you mind explaining why you added the sunflower emoji? I googled it and it's their national flower, but what's the purpose of putting it in comments?
mrsjmccrimmonI may be wrong about the intention, but early in the invasion an older Ukrainian lady approached some Russian soldiers, harrangued them about being where they weren’t wanted and gave them some sunflower seeds to put in their pockets so their bodies would fertilise the soil after they die.
one less tankie in the world. All the others need to follow his example right the fuck now
Okay, I know some kids want to be the exact opposite from their parents, but I think he took it a little bit too far...
Bet it was just a rebellious phase because his mom works for the CIA. Mission accomplished comrade you stuck it to the man.
Either something doesn't add up in this story or this guy was stupid beyond belief.
I think I know the answer to this one. Hope his parents are proud of their dead moron.
What a fuckin weird story, it makes it sound like he was a peace loving hippie who wanted to make the world a better place, then smoked one bong hit too hard and ended up doing a complete 180, joining the fascist fuckheads and died making the world worse off
Unless he visited Russia (stupidly, not the first to do so nor the last), they figured out who his parents were and forced him on the front line somehow? blackmail?
This definitely the most odd story I've read so far
I know too many peace loving hippies that turned to vote far right after covid.
I blame internal issues but mainly foreign disinformation campaigns.
My theory is that people who mix psychedelics with social media end up deep in the far-right propaganda engine.
Not that Elon was ever a good guy, but we can plainly see what Ketamine + Twitter does to a person.
Na that fucker was an apartheid fascist the moment he was born if you look at his family. But that doesn't diminish your point of drugs and social media making it worse
You know that somebody is total shit when I say “he was never good”, and the pushback is that my words weren’t strong enough lol.
Very true the shit he did to USAID just because they were investigating him for his meddling in the Ukraine war with starlink is unforgivable. Corruption at its peak.
His own kids have shown that you don't have to be like your shitty family/ancestors. Elon chose to be a fascist.
I know someone in this boat. Was trying K as a therapeutic, doctor-monitored, etc. for severe anxiety and depression. As far as I know he never abused it... but he also ended up deeper in the Twitter hole afterwards. The neuroplasticity is a double edged sword, it seems.
We are no longer on speaking terms after he tripled-down on being a bigot.
Could just be lack of critical thinking and education, as both of those things have been attacked in order to make the masses more complacent. Made them suseptible to the reactionary thinking in the first place
Seems like a massive conflict of interest.
It sound like he was trying to get Russian citizenship through military service. Then they sent him to Bakhmut to die with 100,000 other recruits. Number made up, but probably not that far off.
I believe Bakhmut saw Russian deaths of over 50,000.
Thank you for the info!
Good. Death to all traitors.
He fucked around and found out.
How to tell me without telling me this was a campist.
So? Wars are deadly. Don't start them, don't go there.
Wait, what? He hates fascism, so he went to Russia... 🤨 He must be another idiot/tankie who can't look in the mirror, almost all of Russia is like that, they are fascists themselves, they see nazis and fascists everywhere, but not in the mirror.
lmao
What a read.
My bet is he got hooked on life wrecking tier drugs and got lured into service by the Russian authorities with the promise of more drugs.
His 180 came way too fast for a simple change of heart.
Good.
lol
That's fucked up. It sounds exactly like he smoked one bong hit too many and went on his own Qanon trip.
Hell yeah !!!
Don't grow facial hair if it looks like you glued pubes to your face. Shit, not a problem now since this self important fuck got cleaned out.