PieFedBoeing begins flying back planes refused by Chinese airlines
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The US plane manufacturer Boeing has begun flying 737 Max jets that were refused by Chinese airline customers back to the United States, as the trade war between the world’s two biggest economies escalates.
Bloomberg reported earlier this week that China had instructed airlines to stop taking delivery of Boeing jets.
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Oops.turns out trade wars have consequences. Boeing already has lost lots of orders due to reliability. Now they have a few billion of Chinese orders that likely won't be fulfilled.
So you're not faulting the overt and deliberate destruction of American integrity, liberty, democracy and justice, but the responses to that deliberate destruction?
So essentially victim-blaming on a national scale?
RoundSparrow @ .eeSo you’re not faulting the overt and deliberate destruction of American integrity, liberty, democracy and justice
I'm blaming Surkov, do you know who Surkov is? The title of the posting clearly says "does not grasp Russian Surkov information warfare"
So essentially victim-blaming on a national scale?
If a hostile nation, Russia, invades the USA - and you do nothing to defend, do you think they don't deserve responsibility? The "Putin Media Invasion" by the Russian "Internet Research Agency" starting in March 2013 did just that.
on a national scale?
I'd also say pretty much all of NATO being targeted, not just "national scale" like you imply.
What Cambridge Analytica unleashed in March 2013 is harmful to all the world, it is monomyth religion patterns alternate-reality based, but void of compassion and love components (weaponized worse than any classical monomyth religions / alternate reality). The victims are the entire Earth, all the people in the world. USA is the front-line because it was the most meme addicted and consuming of social media content and fiction HDTV news media content, given the origin of almost all social media technology is in the USA in 2013 when this first started.
Make no mistake, the impact is global. Humanity is in a race to the bottom of self-centered tribalism if people are not taught media ecology and the menace of unreality / alternate reality thinking. A massive global reformation of education and morality teaching is essentially required.
P.S. Excuse my writing, I'm exhausted this evening.
if people are not taught media ecology and the menace of unreality / alternate reality thinking.
At least this is an improvement on condemning them for not automaticallyvalready knowing what it is or how to deal with it.
But you're srill neatly avoiding mention of the individual actors who are responsible for the social conditions in whic this menace thrives.
Confident, contented people don't buy snake oil - only unhappy, frightened, desperate people do.
At least this is an improvement on condemning them
Who is the "them" you are referring to. You keep saying "nation" and won't name the nation. I've named Russia, and China and the USA are the airlines. Can you be more specific?
Confident, contented people don’t buy snake oil - only unhappy, frightened, desperate people do.
What is "snake oil"?
only unhappy, frightened, desperate people do
Are you describing China who is returning the airplanes? Are you describing the USA? Are you describing Sukrov and Russia?
Confident, contented people don’t buy snake oil
Is that because they have everything they need and don't purchase anything at all?
avoiding mention of the individual actors who are responsible
I mentioned Surkov by name. that's an individual actor. What are you suggesting here?
for the social conditions in whic this menace thrives.
The clergy of religions. They create a social condition of people believing in unreality. Is that what you are referencing?
“We've arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.”
― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark, 1995
BigFigYou should rewrite your entire post in a less terminally online way of speaking
You should rewrite your entire post in a less terminally online way of speaking
BigFig: I literally work outside every day and talk to people from all walks of life thank you very much. Be careful in your glass house there Alice, I’ve seen the dumb shit you’ve posted around Lemmy before.
You sound like you don't like people who link articles and quote books. Did you read any of the linked articles, BigFig? Or do you just use insult shit-talk to win debates on social media like Donald Trump does. Who talks to lots of people and is not "terminally online" at his golf course outings all the time.
You reply nothing on the subjects of airlines, China, USA - Russian Surkov information warfare, all your replies are just insult shit-talk about how people communicate on Lemmy.
Do you have a literacy problem and it hurts your egomania when you encounter words in a style other than your own communications fashion, BigFig? You surely have a dehumanization and hate problem, I already responded to you on that.
REMINDER on Context of the posting: Boeing begins flying back planes refused by Chinese airlines << "Clown Population" thinks this is all hilarious and absurd comedy, surreal humor, does not grasp Russian Surkov information warfare
Which you have entirely avoided.
You should rewrite your entire post in a less terminally online way of speaking
I have severe brain damage from this information warfare, you dehumanizing me and mocking is not appreciated. You need to learn love and compassion and not dehumanize people because they are on their deathbed and you think they are 'weak" and deserve to be kicked when they are down.
"terminally online" mocking and insult. What a fucking way to attack someone who openly declares in public they have severe brain damage. I've been hospitalized over 15 times since 2015.
You should rewrite your entire post
If I could pay for an editor to rework this I would. Why don't you help me rewrite instead of mocking and dehumanziing me?
Did you read any of the linked articles (that are professionally edited), or are you only going to insult my personal (Stephen Alfred Gutknecht) words and writing?
speaking
It isn't speaking, are you using text to speech?
Do you ever wonder why whenever you post something about Russian information warfare, suddenly you get one-line Twitter insult attacks on social media systems? From anonymous no-identity social machine users?
Get a therapist. If you have one, get a new one
Get a therapist. If you have one, get a new one
How does a therapist deal with living in a mass dehumanization nation, United States of America, where all my family worships Donald Trump?
My therapists have been unable to address any of these problems.
Duke University Professor Rick Roderick in 1993 described the same problem I have had with therapists: Well I actually have to say that this moment in existentialism has certainly been good for me, I think. It’s been a healthy thing for me. It cut short therapy, I went to a therapist once, I went three times, and on the third visit I went “Oh by the way I have a question. Why are we born to suffer and die?” and she went [unintelligible mumble], and that was the end of therapy for me. I figured that if she couldn’t help me with my fundamental problem, she wasn’t going to do much good on the trivial problems. I mean, I had a big problem: why are we born to suffer and die? She just went [utter nonsense]… she just went “Well I can write you a prescription for some Valium”, and I said “No thanks, I drink, I don’t need it” [crowd laughter] I belong to a large club; I am a drunkard
Get a therapist. If you have one, get a new one
I think you like Twitter-length insult shit-talk messages like Donald Trump does. So far, all you do is insult and mock humanism. I think you lack Compassion and Empathy and love Lemmy computer machines more than human persons.That's why you don't care what is happening in USA that I am writing about, as all you want is entertainment content on social machines. Little short reaction comments and avoiding thinking.
Get a therapist. If you have one, get a new one
I think you hate the idea of democracy where people who support humanism and factual reality disagree with your political views of USA. You try to intimidate and drive them off your Lemmy amusement and entertainment platform.
Introduction to the Kremlin media techniques of year 2014
Peter Pomerantsev September 9, 2014: Russia and the Menace of Unreality. How Vladimir Putin is revolutionizing information warfare
Adam Curtis, BBC, December 31, 2014: On The "Contradictory Vaudeville" Of Post-Modern Politics - "What this film is going to suggest is that that defeatist response has become a central part of a new system of political control. And to understand how this is happening, you have to look to Russia, to a man called Vladislav Surkov, who is a hero of our time. Surkov is one of President Putin's advisers, and has helped him maintain his power for 15 years, but he has done it in a very new way."
Book reading from December 5, 2014 on the subject by Peter Pomerantsev
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The fall of boeing is all in all a good thing for the US. These too big to fail companies are a severe liability.
Who says they're going to fail?
The machine to have taxpayers eat the cost of those planes is already grinding away. They probably won't be used, likely sit somewhere and decay, but we'll pay for them.
The whole point of too big to fail is you get bailed out when you start to.
They wont because they will get enough welfare to be propped up until they screw up and start to fail again.
thanks donald for helping european manufacturers sell more planes. airbus ftw.
I guess they will have to roll with their Comac C919 in order to please Party Officials.
Also Airbus doesn't have the capacity to deliver new planes quickly right now
Mega? ......Hell even that sounds way cooler ...MEGA!
I'm sure donvict is an economic GENIUS and not at all a Russian asset.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_and_deliveries
Well, I assume that some other customer isn't going to complain about their plane being available earlier than scheduled.
Airlines usually customize the engines, avionics, galley, toilets, cabin interior, seat configuration, in-flight entertainment, etc.
Just because they're bringing the aircraft back, doesn't mean they get to ship them out to other waiting customers ASAP.
It's not usually Boeing that does the interior btw, and is usually done after delivery by a third party.
It’s called option, not customization.
You can’t put a huge ass spoiler on your 737 to have it stick better to the ground, and it will go back down anyway.
Just to “um akshually” a bit because I found this fascinating when I learned about it ages ago.
A spoiler on a car doesn’t help it stick to the ground better. Rather it “spoils” air, reducing drag and allowing air to flow around the car better. Like damming up the air between the roof and the spoiler, allowing other air to just flow from the roof to the spoiler. This means there isn’t a vacuum created behind the cabin, so you have less turbulent air and less drag.
A wing on a car increases drag, and forces the car down to the ground by creating lift (though since the wing is upside down compared to a plane, we call this lift “downforce”).
We often use the terms “spoiler” and “wing” interchangeably when referring to cars, but they’re very different beasts!
Til, that is fascinating. Thanks for sharing!
Also, airplanes have spoilers!
Also yes! And they’re very important!
So spoilers suck? Or they suck less?
Not if it coincides with a recession and drop in passenger numbers.
Well I assume the other airlines will inspect the Airplane rigorously when they know someone else already refused delivery for it, because they don't want a shitty lemon
Will Boeing have to pay 245% tariffs on re-importing them?
No, assuming that they weren't worked on any further and are being returned as-exported. Even if they weren't originally US made, you've got three years from US export to claim duty relief (assuming you paid the duties when they came into the US first time round).
https://www.cbp.gov/trade/programs-administration/entry-summary/hts-subheading-9801
They don't have to pay anything, they're not buying them.
Alright Boeing, we know you have assassins for killing people in the way of your profits, where are they at?
They're probably not on staff and hiring them externally just got much more expensive and complicated.
Gig work really is killing the job market.
Hahaha LMAO stupid trump and maga morons
Aren’t these the planes that were grounded due the multiple crashes?
That might be a reason why they don’t want them.
It is, but that’s not the reason here (even if not buying a 60 years airframe with shit avionics and too low ground clearance is a valid reason).
Most Asian orders are for bigger aircrafts, so 777 and 787 for Boeing.
And even without tariffs retaliation from China, Boeing is fucked because of tariffs. An aircraft is 90% imported parts from all over the world. Airbus is the same, but Airbus is not in the US (well, they have an A320 line there for US market but they can close it and keep working with the rest of the world from Europe, Boeing can’t do that)
If that were the issue they would have canceled the orders several years ago. Refusing the planes at this point is due to more recent developments.
It's a trade action. They want them, and need them. Airbus and Boeing are the main, by far, manufacturers of medium and large passenger jets, and they are back ordered until the 2030's. But Boeing jets are some of the most expensive per unit US items you can use as bargaining chips.
They fixed the MCAS issue a while back. It now requires data from multiple sensors, is only able to activate once per flight, and has a dramatically reduced strength on that one activation.
Mentour Pilot did great videos about the Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines incidents that go into detail about that system and its flaws.
It’s not about fixing that one defect.
It’s about the degradation of their safety culture and engineering rigor to the point that they were just blithely ignoring regulatory requirements that are written in blood. Management overrode TONS of engineers, assemblers, and QC techs in the interest of shipping shit and making money. This also happened in the 787. This also happened in the starliner capsule. I’m sure it’s happening elsewhere. Boeing can no longer be trusted to reliably and safely build things - it’s that bad.
Funny, they told us it was all because of DEI...
Big /S
It was because of Milton Friedman:
Can't forget about Jack Welch. Fucking leech.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Welch_Management_Institute
China was the first country to ground them..
What would have they done with only the back of the plane anyway?
If you put them together you can fly both ways. Round trip.
I see what you did there Dad
These are all those planes where the front fell off.
If they’re going cheap I’ll take one