PieFedCanada to be EU’s 28th member? Nearly half of Canadians say yes
www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/canada-t…
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/33942209
The European Commission isn't strictly ruling it out either.
Archived version: https://archive.is/newest/https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/canada-to-be-eus-28th-member-nearly-half-of-canadians-say-yes/
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JohnnyCanuckDo we get to be part of Eurovision?
Technically you've already been in it
(but more seriously, loads of non-EU countries are eligible for Eurovision)
The only restriction to be invited to join Eurovision, is to be within the shows broadcast influencr. This is course is moot in modern days, but it's why the whole of the Mediterranean coast countries are automatically part of it. And because Australia always broadcasted it, they were invited for several years to join. Canada just needs to start broadcasting the show.
DasusThe 51st State bullshit is so insulting. Over 10 million French speakers, they will loose their language laws. Native treaties torn up. The whole of Canada gets 2 Senators just like the least populist state of Wyoming with 590K people. All 10 Provincial legislatures amalgamated into one state house.
Only a senile fool and his cult think this is funny.
TacoButtPlugAnd if you've seen Wyoming's inhabitant's mindset, that alone is insulting to know 100 bigots get the same voice of hundreds of thousands.
Were going to need some sort of opt out to the internal market or this would hurt us more than a trade war with the US.
European countries dont need this because they naturally trade with eachother because of this thing some like to call "geography" but Canada does not, and thats not going to change from joining the EU.
Unlike the UK who just wanted to make their own trade deals Canada actually needs to. The EU values the sanctity of the single market more than the value the UK added to it, so they would pretty much have to create an entirely new member section just for us.
Still the freedom of movement, potential upgrades to our democracy, involvement in a rising world power, and potentially a mutual defence pact would be nice. Not too sure about the Euro, if it would hurt or help us.
As an added bonus, maybe when Quebec sees all these European countries that have English named products in their stores they will stop trying to rename Kraft Dinner. (Im Canadian and I live in Germany, half of things are in English and no one cares)
Cracks_InTheWallsActually, I'd be fascinated to watch what a serious drive to have Canada become an EU member would do for a lot of discussions in/about Quebec.
While I definitely see the potential (hell, necessity) for increased cooperation, I'm not confident full member status is on the table though. But we live in weird times.
They have literally said no. And considering one of the requirements is must be European seems there is no chance. But seems people don't know where Europe is.
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The law and politics of a hypothetical application by a country geographically outside of Europe
[...] a European state does not mean one limited to the continent of Europe. Before 1985, Greenland was—via Denmark—part of the European Union’s predecessor the European Economic Community (EEC) despite being on the North American continental shelf [...] Indeed, the European Union expressly recognises nine “outermost regions”—some as far away as the Indian Ocean—as part of the European Union. And in addition to this there are 13 overseas territories with a special relationship with the EU, including Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon, which is just off the coast of, well, Canada [...]
In essence, a European state need not, from a geographic perspective, be confined to Europe or even part of Europe. It would appear being European is state of mind [...]
The real answer is not formal, but political. If Canada really wanted to join, and the member states and the European institutions wanted Canada to join, then a way would be found. The definition of “European state” could be fudged [...]
What could [...] evolve [as an alernative to Canada's EU membership] is an entity that joins together the European Union with Canada and other non-members such as the UK, Norway and Iceland—and perhaps even Greenland—and that this entity could be placed on a formal footing. This would be outwith the EU treaties but would complement the EU bloc. And it would not then matter if the “Europe” label applied or not.
It would be fucking funny for Canada to join the EU, adopt the Euro and get into Schengen before the UK.
Easy now, let's not get ahead of the first step of EU entry:
Eurovision.
ZierCanada wins first Eurovision with Celine Dion doing a dance remix of "O Canada".
Doesn’t she have lock jaw?
Stiff-person-syndrome
There is a recent documentary on Prime about her in which they talk about this a lot. It’s very sad.
tooclose104This is Celine Dion we're talking about, her talent transcends
Pup Biruwell then even funnier if it were australia - literally as far away as possible - now that we’ve been tariffed too!
MaggiWuerzeWould be nice to get a member with a working economy for a change :D
galoisghostAustralia is really missing the boat here. Too busy trying to be a small target instead of getting ahead of the game. We’re already part of Eurovision FFS
That would be cool. And I am not an EU country citizen, but from a country that has some chance to become one eventually.
This would be great and hilarious.
Kinda like how Putin wanted less NATO influence and then Finland and Sweden joined after the Ukraine war.
FAFO.
This would be nice, but it's not going to help Canada that much in the stupid trade war that Trump just started for the same reason the U.K. was never going to make up for trade lost with the E.U. by forging new trade agreements with the U.S.
I said this the first time Trump was elected
It’s too dangerous to be in the wild while the US is focused on imperialism.
The EU is more similar to Canadian attitudes than the US is, though we are halfway in between.
Closer to France than Hungary is, and they're in the EU already.
As a Canadian I am all for this.
I think there are unnecessary complications with joining the EU and maybe we should just focus on joining the shengen zone more similar to iceland and norway to make it happen quicker
Edit: I'm stoned right now but I'm just trying to imagine how we would retrofit every single car with EU regulated headlights for example haha. And those ugly ass long rectangle license plates. Canada has the coolest license plates in the world
Per your edit: Does joining the EU require retroactive compliance? Or is it just "follow these standards going forward"?
Good question I don't know the answer to.
From The website, it seems as though we have change our regulations, then we can apply to join the EU (and also be a European nation, but that's a different thing).
I neither want to become part of the USA nor part of the EU, although between the two, the EU is obviously preferable.
At least you are still a country when in the EU and can leave if you want to.
Canexit when?
Oh god please join the EU, so I can go through the trouble of claiming ancestral citizenship in Europe and be able to live in Canada instead.
@RandAlThor Australia first, we are already in the ESC ;)
Lol all former British colonies join the EU after Brexit
I like the idea I do but I think the CANZUK is more likely the four countries share so much more than we do with the EU. Only problem I have with it is we would still have the royal family on our coins.
This still seems wildly unlikely for so many reasons. Canada needs new trade partners and at this point some defense guarantees, but joining the EU is a long shot.
And it's one that will take too long to have any bearing on current challenges anyway.
That said, Dumpster's moves are mostly ridiculous because he's trying to speed run something that was coming eventually. He's just skipping the rather slow but crucial propaganda step to manufacture consent, and trying to de-integrate our economies at self-immolating speed.
I think it might be a good idea to explore membership in the Schengen Area and/or European Free Trade Association, but full EU membership is more trouble than it's worth and Eurozone membership (giving up our currency) carries serious drawbacks alongside benefits I wouldn't expect to fully realize with our geographic separation.
We can and should be looking for better economic integration as part of our trade diversification. But we also need to preserve our own internal autonomy and power, and shouldn't be expecting any meaningful protection from across the pond. I mean maybe fellow Commonwealth states will militarily support us, but not likely the EU, and definitely not within a decade. We're not like Ukraine who sit between them and a hostile neighboring state, softening the latter without costing EU lives.
two birds one stone, no?
That’s not happening. The #1 requirement to join the EU is …
There is no law of nature that demands this. These rules were written by people. They can be changed and bent by people as well.
You're gonna be seeing a lot of changes very soon. Don't go thinking the neoliberal status quo is some default state of the world. The US is fascist now.
You want to bet on Canada joining the EU before Trump’s term ends?