PieFedJust a quick thanks to all the Instance admins out there as we await yet another Reddit wave 💪
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"Await"? We're deep into it.
Have we still got any bourbons left?
There's always bourbons left.
Memes or it didn't happen lmao
It's slowly starting to look like the next great influx as seen from Fedecan stats.
I'm just here because Boost finally stopped working for Reddit.
Welcome!
The straw that breaks the camel’s back!
September forever!
DBZer0 represent
Awww yeah
165 comments.
Lmao wonder what happened here
Your comment made no sense at first. And then I checked comment counts on other instances 😀
No drama in this corner of the fediverse :)
Every regional instance other than .uk: :'(
Sopuli and lemmy.ca are regional
True but what about feddit.org, feddit.it, jlai.lu and so many other :(
I thought I put the .UK one, isn't the top middle the UK instance logo?
I think he mea s you include the UK one, but all the other regional ones are left out
Ex-Redditor reporting for duty. Thank-you for being a friend 🫡
Y’all need to work on getting r/popculture here - from Kardashian posts to getting SLAMMED for supporting Luigi is the journey we all need to be on.
Welcome to Lemmy, here are a few pointers to help you settle in
- !newtolemmy@lemmy.ca
- !communitypromo@lemmy.ca
Ty - subbed to both. Will look now.
Welcome!
We'll go down the road and back again.
Make yourself at home!
Tbf the admins of lemmy.ml are the ones who actually develop the service. They deserve our thanks also.
That's why the future is piefed. Lemmy is just one activitypub app.
Thank Dessalines for Lemmy and Jerboa
People who name themselves after genocidal warlords can make some pretty good software
I can thank them for their development efforts, but not on how they run their instance.
Thank you admins, we appreciate you. Mostly.
Having anti capitalistic views in the fediverse is so important in times like this. Excluding the putin shills ofc.
That's what most people generally agree with.
Locking while we sift through all the reports.
What's the Seal instance? 🤔
What'd they do this time?
There is so much "comment removed by reddit"s now.
They also flagged the word "luigi" as violence.
Reddit? You can’t say Luigi without being flagged for moderation and Eat the Rich is a call for violence lol
Support the wrong dictatorship. You're only supposed to support the American one.
In thoery we shouldn’t support any dictatorships at all. But the average tankie poster will bend over backwards to fellate a dictator if they oppose the US.
It would be great if we could only support countries that were 100% good all the time, but tankies support countries that oppose the US even if they're far from good because they recognize that no socialist revolution of any kind is possible until US hegemony is broken.
said every #2 hegemon in the history of ever
Plenty of the countries they support certainly claim to be socialist, but end up just being authoritarian dictatorships with a different name
I oppose both.
https://lemmy.world/post/26416571
That's it? Asking for trade embargos to be lifted? Are you serious?
Lol no, tl;dr VodkaSolutions had commented "If, he [Trump] most likely goes down as the dumbest president of all the countries ever, even over the north Korean dictators" and that was removed by the .ml Tankie mods because he dared imply that NK was run by a dictator.
But straight NK propaganda is allowed to proliferate.
Clear evidence of enforcing pro-Russia/China/NK authoritarian mindset via mod/admin action aka Tankie
And that's just the latest, which happened just yesterday, there's much more at !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
Meh, what's the big deal? Isn't it good there's an anti-US presence here? I like the intellectual diversity they bring, even if they're often insufferable jerks about it.
It's not so much the anti-US part, because honestly fuck the US gov and the shit they do lol, but more of the "China/Russia/NK can do NO WRONG/aren't actually authoritarian governments simply because they oppose the US" parts
There was nothing wrong with the comment that got removed, and they do that all the time.
Could you describe to me, in your own words, how the North Korean government functions and what elements make it a dictatorship? Because 99.99% of people who spout this nonsense don't know shit about fuck and uncritically believe every single lie about that country that they hear from any given Western propaganda outlet.
tankie
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Lol bro most of us want capitalism to die, but not to just replace it with another authoritarian regime
Capitalism cannot be killed by any political movement unwilling to repress Capitalists. Look at the state of Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism the world over, and how in every borgeois democracy it is losing ground to fascism, and either accept the truth or bury your head in the sand.
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This conversation is great.
(in case it does not load there is a picture in this reply)
I agree with the dog. So I must like this right?
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to falling to propoganda
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Not beating the reactionary allegations.
by supporting capitalist regimes
No, a lot of users, especially on Lemmygrad, support Russia and their invasion, for example. Hexbear supports China's dictator. Most .ml I've interacted with are also on Russia's side.
Don't act like the only thing is anti-capitalism. That'd be fine. It's everywhere on the fediverse. No, those instances stand apart for a reason, and you know that.
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Sorry, that's just objectively wrong. Both are bad, but Russia is nowhere close to the us.
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Trust me, I've been following this stuff as well. I am no fan of america, but saying its better than russia is just objectively bad.
America is way more democratic.
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Oh yeah, the soviet union nevvvvvver involved themselves in coups. That's something only evil westerners do.
(Please don't looked at the history of Africa, or southern/southeat Asia during the cold war.
Dictator: one holding complete autocratic control.
Yeah, I think it is.
Well, at least you're admitting what I said is true. I could argue with you, but it doesn't matter. The fact isn't even if it's better than the US. I never made a statement on that. Your people are apologists for Russia and defend it's invasion of a sovereign nation. Can you agree with me that's bad? No whataboutisms or anything. Just admit it is bad.
Same, but I also think killing average working people for no reason makes you a bad person.
Same, I just don't want it to be like the soviet union.
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Do you have any links about the latin-american ones? Google isn't giving me anything useful.
Remember when I told you to keep it easy on the memes against .ml, hexbear and grad a few days ago? 😄
Fuck Tankies, all my homies Hate Tankies
I hate Illinois tankies.
It really has been weeks though js, and it was more thrown in, the thanks is genuine 😅LMAO
Would have probably been better with purely thanks and no diss attempt in the middle 😄
But that's not the meme?
Could have put Spez or whoever else everyone here despise
So... You're okay with the format and the insults, as long as it's not against tankies?
Are lemmy.ml allies of Lemmy or not?
I respect the Lemmy devs as devs, I don't like them as instance admins, but I don't try to throw crap at time everytime I can.
Doesn't prevent me from growing !linux@programming.dev , !privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com , !opensource@programming.dev
We can disagree without throwing each other under the bus
Would have been better uf you stopped complaining.
Aggressive comment, in line with your modlog https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?userId=870550
8 months ago and a year ago aren't exactly recent examples
Plus one is complaining about the title being a word salad and the other one is a reply to a deleted comment. I may have been out of line, but I'm not going to own up to that without knowing the context.
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Basically, Tankies are authoritarian bootlickers pretending not to be who routinely deny the human rights violations of the CCP/Russia and hold them up as the gold standard. They refuse to recognize China, Russia and even NK as being authortarian regimes or if they do, its OK/Neccessary because it takes down the west/capitalism. If you have a historical fact that puts any of those countries in a bad light, they'll probably deny it happend/just western propganda.
Hex and Grad are very in your face about it, but .ml tends to be more subtle. So, many instances defed from those 2.
.ml is run by the head Lemmy devs who are, unfortunately, Tankies themselves and tend to enforce the Tankie mindset throughout with more subtlety through mod/admin action. Because of that, and a lot of the lemmy support forums being on .ml, they tend to get handled with “kid gloves” more or less by most instances.
You can check out !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works or !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com and https://lemmy.world/post/26416571 https://lemmy.world/post/26047186 if you want to see more.
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Low bar, but yeah.
Huh, so they do exist IRL lmao, you got yourself a unicorn lolol most of us have only ever encountered them online (Knowingly at least)
didn't the triad literally create the Fediverse? I don't like them either but that deserves a little respect
.ml was the first instance and was/is run by the developers
And Hexbear has been around longer than almost every other instance.
They didn't create the fediverse.
The owners of .ml are the devs of lemmy, a fediverse software.
And the nazis created Fanta. Do they deserve a little respect for that? 🌭
no, fanta sucks
Fair.
Jesus fucking christ dude, the insane obsession you guys over at lemmy.world have with tankies is unreal. Maybe go outside and touch some grass.
It's always the same two instances complaining about the rest of the Fediverse not bending over to bootlick the US overworlds, and accusing the rest of somehow simping for other regimes just on the basis of opposing that. It is seriously getting tedious and insufferable.
On top of that, including lemmy.ml in there is just disingenuous. Grad and hexbear sure, they are spaces openly and deliberately created to discuss leftist politics. But there is literally nothing making lemmy.ml any less generalist than any instance, maybe other than a certain instance that is happy to ban and defederate anyone who dares question the US hegemony. You cannot bind lemmy.ml to "tankism" on any basis other than the Lemmy devs being socialist themselves despite letting anyone of any political creed use their software, unless you are dumb enough to take decontextualized meanwhileongrad-level bullshit seriously.
I moved over from .world to .ml to flee away from this American exceptionalism brainroot and, guess what? It didn't work. I keep seeing the same constant complaints about this fictional group of Lemmy users that really like Putin and Xi or something and weaponizing those complaints to support and enact hostile actions against people and instances discussing anti-capitalist, anti-establishment policy. The only thing that changed is that now, besides that, I can also see leftists users engage in posts from my own account. So, funnily enough, the echo chamber effect became weaker after I moved to .ml.
It was a rather funny timing that this whole discussion about lemmy.ml being a hardcore tankie instance that should be widely defederated etc came to be about at the time that lemmy.world defederated lemmygrad and consequently ran out of red-flavored scapegoats to claim that they are being oppressed by some nebulous left-wing echo chamber.
I give .ml a tiny bit more lenience (think I spelled that right).
But they do remove comments in support of ukraine which is just objectively wrong.
I originally joined .ml excited for a less shit leftist internet space. I really gave it a chance.
But it's the same ML brainrot you find way too often in leftist spaces. It has nothing to do with worker liberation and is just focused on relitigating the cold war and defending different tyrants. I actually spent a lot of time defending ML for leftist diversity I now understand was largely imagined. That stopped when they kept banning me for not licking the boot.
I dunno bro, any one who has had the audacity to say something in support of Ukraine more than a few times on Lemmy has had the joyous experience of having multiple .ml users rant to them about Ukraine being run by Nazis. Or some other such nonsense.
I get that it's unfair to generalize the entire instance. But .ml users like yourself, who consistently refuse to acknowledge the problem, act as a shield to these bad actors. Your instance has a problem, and if you all keep ignoring it, you become a safe-haven for it, and will eventually be consumed by it.
You put it perfectly, there is a lot of good people on those instances, but there is a few (very active) there that make those instances unbearable.
Nah man, my initial onboarding experience was seriously influenced by interacting with .ml. you can pretend the experience of thousands of users doesn't matter, but .ml is legitimately worse than reddit in basically every way. It's good that influence is being diluted.
Whenever I see comments like these, and their posters are asked to ellaborate, they usually always end up with something along the lines of "Well I wanted to be transphobic in peace and they wouldn't let me".
I won't ask you to elaborate. Don't know if it's your case, don't care either. At this point if you are seriously attempting to conflate .ml with the other two instances you are undoubtedly engaging in bad faith. But if this wasn't already a red flag in its own right, you went out of your way to confirm it by saying that ".ml is legitimately worse than reddit in basically every way".
You are not "thousands of users" and it's quite pretentious of you to project your experience onto so many people. However, by adding fuel to the constant fire of the never-ending tankie discourse on Lemmy, you are helping making this place hostile to everyone except for a very thin fraction of the political spectrum (the one that is allowed to thrive in the West), therefore making it suck on Lemmy for, you know, actual thousands of users of many different backgrounds and creeds that don't share the rabid anti-tankie brainrot.
Where do you think ML philosophy actually exists in the open, except for the edgiest edges of the west? Like seriously, where do you think Dessalines, et al, lives?
Or are we about to go down that road where I get banned from some leftist space for espousing Dengism, because MLs are extremely ignorant of contemporary geopolitics post 1945?
"ML philosophy", as in the somehow monolithical ideological orientation of the .ml instance, is not a thing. Regardless of what this extremely loud minority keeps crying about, the truth is that .ml admins either don't care or are not very good at keeping "dissent" at bay. If anything, .ml is more tolerating of a wider variety of ideologies, including neoliberalism but not limited to that, which is in reality the pain point that y'all keep complaining about. .world is, by comparison, a lot more relentless at silencing dissent and maintaining a homogeneous ideology, just one that a lot of westerners are comfortable with. Lemmygrad and Hexbear are also a lot more dedicated to maintaining ideological homogeneity, but no amount of you (generic, not you in particular) pretending that .ml operates in the same exact way is going to make it true.
"ML philosophy", as in marxism-leninism, is a branch of a wide family of marxist ideologies that has laid out the groundwork for a lot of the modern framework on how we understand society and labor. I'd believe you if you told me you haven't seen it because it's not mainstream; doesn't mean that it doesn't exist or that it isn't a fruitful field of study for sociologists. Notably, it is also not widely discredited outside of the US, a country that has a history of propagandizing exactly against this kind of thing.
I don't understand your point about Dessalines's place of residence? Even if you live in the US, you can be critical of the hegemonic narrative, you know. But my experience seems to be the converse to yours: This weird obsession with being concerned about tankies coming and eating you is genuinely not that strong of a thing except for extremely online edgelords. I hardly even see this kind of behavior outside of specifically westerners on Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, and Lemmy. And even then, there are more sane westerners on all these platforms who know that, in real life, the ones out to eat us all are most likely not coming exactly from that side of the spectrum.
Except I have clear evidence documented of .ml's tankieness with full context included.
Tankies are not socialists, they deny all the wrong doings of authoritarian regimes, they even deny that NK isn't actually a dictatorship LMAO
.ml removes comments and posts for nothing else other than being against Russia/China/NK. How is that ok your book? I myself would love to see the fall of capitalism, but like I said before, not to just replace it with authoritarianism.
Edit: LMAO .ml unbanned and rebanned me just so that they could brigade my post lololol
I was on Hexbear and am on .ml. I don’t say and I don’t see anything like what you lot bang on about.
https://lemmy.world/post/26416571
https://lemmy.world/post/26047186
You don't see it because they're quick to remove the things critical of their favored authoritarian regimes
Not willing to start an argument, since this whole topic about "tankies" on Lemmy is exactly as toxic, disingenuous and unproductive as it was back on Reddit, so I might not reply further than this.
But elsewhere in this thread I have seen you post "evidence" that was actually just some ridiculous meanwhileongrad thread. If we are going by those standards then I might as well pull out all the exaggerated out of context circlejerking about liberals that is common on Hexbear. If we are to drop our collective IQ to zero, we may well be playing this game in both directions. But oh wait, turns out it's only bad when Hexbear does it to own the libs, but it's fully solid compelling evidence when another certain instance does it about "tankies".
The claim that .ml is censoring comments "for nothing else other than being against Russia/China/NK", at the very least, does not match my experience of browsing .ml at all. But if you do have evidence as you say, I invite you to actually post it and let people discuss. It shouldn't be hard; the modlog is public.
That said, I'm personally not interested in starting the 95474214th Lemmy argument about tankies this week on this website so don't expect me to reply.
https://lemmy.world/post/26416571
That's exactly what I put together when I post to !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
I try to capture the context + the actual modlog entry to complete the evidence
Oh and this other one I did which is a 3 in 1
https://lemmy.world/post/26047186
Another guy crying about free speech of .ml while writing on the unfederated protocol created by .ml. You guys are such a joke please go find something to do in real life rather than inventing yourself an alternate oppressed life.
Free speech, right, free speech like this: https://lemmy.world/post/26416571
Just block them if you can't stand them but your constant crying wimping annoy me. You really have nothing going on in your life to spent some time on this right ?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ we all have our hobbies, why don't you just block me then
Tankie triad represent
The other 2 are explicitly communist but I'd never assume a lemmy.ml user is a tankie.
People who chose the thing run by the people who make the thing gang rise up
https://feddit.nl/post/16246531
This post is complaining about disinformation being censored, which is good. Every website should censor disinformation regardless of source.
What disinformation?
The imgur album linked in the comment is almost 100% disinformation once it starts describing the alleged atrocities.
Is the disinformation that China does acknowledge the massacre?
The first removed comment shown in the post is someone falsely claiming that China has "constant efforts to pretend it didn't happen"
The linked imgur album is also full of outright disinformation about the incident.
art thou trollingeth, knave?
Should read more about your instance admin and consider changing instances. I know I won't support that asshole
Dessalines, right? I happen upon a lot of his Github issue threads on libraries that i use, which i think is interesting when i recognize the account. He seems normal there.
Other than that, looking at his Lemmy profile, it seems he gets into a lot of political arguments on subjects that i don't know much about - i can't tell if he's unjustly hateful towards any group. I have heard he bans people a lot over these disagreements, which isn't cool so i think your sentiment is fair.
Currently my only issue with .ml is the profanity filter but i don't know anything about the other instances either. I imagine this conversation has been had a lot already but if i'm on Lemmy either way, what's the difference in terms of support? If he's a dick, i'd probably rather just switch to Kbin or PieFed
!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works if you want to learn more about their (and the rest of the Tankie Triad's) shenanigans. Though you'll need to view it through another instance, because .ml blocks it to prevent their own users from seeing it. Talk about censorship LMAO
"that asshole" has been working below minimum wage, one unexpected financial burden away from homelessness, for the last four years to bring you Lemmy for free
What I'm saying is even if you disagree with his views, on the things that actually impact you, he's been a great positive in your life
Just because someone does a selfless act, does not mean that they have carte blanche to spout dangerous misinformation and propaganda
What Dessalines spouts is by and large uncomfortable truths that are paved over by Western government misinformation and propaganda, your reaction is that of someone clinging to the lies they were raised with rather than accepting the truth.
I'll be sure to tell the families of those who died in Tiananmen Square that that was all just "western government misinformation"
I got so many tanks man
Hey, how are you here? Please tell davel to stop screwing with my site ban and fix it.
I don't want to lose my achievement :(
Since I blocked them I tend to forget there is a Triad of rot on lemmy.
Don’t forget Blahaj.Zone as they’re awesome too! Here’s to having 10k folks🍻
Sorry. Not awesome. They are more ban happy than the tankies. I'm fairly sure I got banned for referring to a keyboard as a "bad boy". Either that or somebody was playing ban roulette.
I got banned for calling someone naive when they said they were going to vote third party last year lmao
Lmao what. Blahaj is just as bad as hexbear.
Touch grass nerd
Poor LW
Still federated with Threads
- https://lemmy.world/instances , ctrl F "https://threads.net/"
Ah right, I forgot that.
...honestly, i even forgot about Thread.
Also allows transphobes to attack trans inclusion in sports.
Is this an issue? I have never seen a post or user from threads. Is it even compatible with Lemmy?
In the sense that mastodon is, yes.
If it's not w then why stay federated?
ngl, I consider .world to be on a similar level of obnoxiousness to .ml
Honestly feels worse than ml.
Agreed, Blahaj.zone users see their problems. They’re an aggressive bunch.
there is nothing lemmy hates more than new lemmy users
wrong they hate the older ones.
I see new users being welcomed all the time.