PieFedYes, he really said it
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Calling it a war now? That won't make daddy Putin very happy.
Interested to see how Putin's propaganda machine will react to this, since they've already for a long time pushed the narrative that NATO, specifically the US and UK for some reason, started it. Quite a 180 to pull when US are allies now.
PugJesusEasy - "The Globalhomo Deepstate Liberals in the US are now cast out"
You know, the same things that the Trump regime says
Are Elon and Trump in lockstep on this? If Elon moved even slightly more pro-Ukraine, he could snap Trump to heel and show who’s in charge. Putin would then know who he’s really dealing with.
That, or they’re all Putin’s bitches. That’s what makes the most sense.
StalinwolfThat guy is a fukking joke. Can’t believe what US has become. And it’s just two months gone. He has Putin’s dick balls deep in his mouth.
Still got my fingers crossed that the next Pres will come in and fix it all with the same sort of quickness >.> lol
mannycalavera80s USA not giving any diplomatic shits anymore. We're back baby! USA! USA! USA! Let's play some footbaaawl (with our hands).
Trump....Just digging a foundation here for my mansion expansion plan that goes into your property! I don't wanna start a war or anything, but I'll just have a bunch of my guys with gun walking around in your property. I assumed that was OK..again, didn't want to start a war. Just trying out our tanks around your town...again, not trying to start a war.
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Don’t worry about economic alienation, they’re already doing that themselves.
Putin has repeatedly said that Zelensky is illegitimate and would not negotiate with him. Guess who isn't invited to this particular set of negotiations?
The US has opened negotiations in a strong position by giving one side everything they asked for, to the point that the Russians are trying to figure out what else they can get away with.
When Trump eventually concludes negations it'll be every bit as hollow as Bush standing on an aircraft carrier with a mission accomplished banner behind him. Trump will demand a Noble prize, just like the one Obama got. Peace will not be achieved.
No, it'll be worse. Trump will use this as a way to remove all sanctions from Russia. He will basically try to reinstate Putin as part of the world economy. After this war of aggression, after all this destruction and death, Trump wants to brush Putin off and put a Halo on it.
Fuck that orange shit stain.
Just wait until he starts selling F35s to Russia
Just like the people in other countries will forever hate me for being American, I will forever hate all Russians and Israelis for allowing their governments to do what they've done. I don't even care if that's right or wrong anymore, I'm just tired and weak from all this constant shit.
It is not a negotiation if the partners making the deal is not included.
Trump just looking for what he can win from this. He does not care if the deal is fair.
That isn't the point of these talks. Trump, has no ideology other than what makes Trump look good. I'm that vein, these talks will
Get Trump a Nobel prize for ending an "intractable" war. Suck it Obama.
Stop sending money outside the US. Trump as far as I can tell has never had any friends. He can't figure out why you would help any one who is worse off you than yourself.
Which brings me to the final point. Putin, is on paper the stronger person in this conflict. Trump doesn't see character as a useful trait, which in this comparison completely negates what ever Ukraine and Zelensky bring to the table. I don't think any one knows why he likes the man so much, but Trump clearly wants to ingratiate himself with him, so he's bending over backwards to give him what he wants.
Trump thinks he's some sort of great negotiator. Putin is laughing the whole time.
For context, as a writer at The Atlantic described it:
It's not beyond understanding. It's corruption and treason. Putin is now POTUS when it comes to Ukraine, and NATO apparently
Putin is POTUS period.
Putin stand behind the man that stands in front of the president of the USA.
Elon first, then Putin, then Dump.
What a democracy, the jewel of the free (market) world.
Elon is the governor. Putin is the emperor. Trump is the jester.
Jesters are the ones that tell the truth to the king without fear of execution.
Trump couldn't be a jester if he tried. He can't joke or jape, he has nothing but hate in his heart.
Edit: I forgot to add that he is pathologically unable to actually tell the truth, the most important part of the jesters job.
Very disrespectful to leave out Saudi Arabia here.
It's a seat at Hannibal Lector's table.
Nah, Lecter was educated, smart, and charismatic.
It wasn't even that long ago that the news was reporting on Russian troops massing on the border for a "training exercise". How the fuck do people forget that Russia was undeniably the aggressor in this conflict?
Only Trump did I think.
The war dates before that. Since 2014 Russia had snipers in dombas.
Reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-qO42qjShg
Unfortunately not, have seen quite a few on here just today regurgitating the idea that the Ukraine goaded Russia into invading, so it's like, Ukraine's fault and they started it. Or something. Fuck I hate people, just absolutely no shame, reality is whatever the hell they want it to be I guess.
Well Ukraine shouldn't dress like that. Showing their grain and warm water port for all to see. Everyone knew they were selling their grain to all sorts of people. They should've seen it coming really /s obviously
It's complicated. Ukraine didn't directly attack Russian people or infrastructure, but they did take actions that would have reduced Russia power, and Russia did consider that casus belli. From that perspective, Ukraine did start the war.
I don't agree with this interpretation, and I think it is hard to square with "international law", but it is a form of realpolitik that the U.S. has engaged in previously (and likely will in the future), overthrowing or manipulating Central and South American nations, in particular.
It doesn't surprise me AT ALL, that Trump would buy into this interpretation. Even without his known Russian biases due to funding, he really doesn't see the point or ethics or morality. For him it's just about power and heirarchy, so realpolitik is his only possible perspective on how any government or leader should behave.
Rapist blames victim.
How dare she stand out there with her land all open like that
If this is how Trump negotiates, I think we cash see why he been bankrupt so many times
his lack of ability to negotiate has been known for decades. The guy is a clown
Art of the deal ... of losing.
Yeah, if someone came to me negotiating like that I'd commit to never doing business with them.
Mate, I'd pick him any day off the week. He can take dodgy loans and I'll clean him out
This is basically the logic everyone in his government uses to justify being there. They all get chewed up and spat out sooner or later.
Like, I'd agree under certain very narrow circumstances, but Zelensky is not in any of those.
I wish more people had this philosophy. Way too many people gravitate to being doormats instead.
From the view of Putler, this episode of the war is ending, so that the next can start in a few years.... Trump can't plan more than 7 days ahead...
Donald Trump's entire career seems to be built on a single expression he makes. Essentially the one in that picture. I'm not sure what it is but it conveys some combination of superiority, disdain, and disinterest. It's clearly very successful at establishing dominance, for some reason. Awful man.
Yeah, it's been his personality all his life. *"I take no responsibility for anything"* Therefore, he is absolved of everything.
"The USA should have never attacked Pearl Harbor and Japan!"
Damn japan did nothing wrong? /j
Those ships exploding could really have been dangerous to those low flying planes overhead. Very inconsiderate from the US people. Typical.
'Stupid' just doesn't encompass his complete and utter ineptitude
His supporters know it, too.
I'm close enough to being American to understand most of their things, but deliberately electing a president that's as bad as possible to spite certain other Americans still seems like bizarre logic.
Unworthy of living could sum it up to some people
He knows it isn't true
Damned Poles and their radio stations.
1939 Gleiwitz. Schlesien.
It's weird seeing memes that can be used by both the left and right with wildly different interpretations
Man I can't remember the original meme/context to this one, can you help me out?
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/donald-trumps-2020-axios-on-hbo-interview
Thank you!
I wonder if things get bad enough, Ukraine would take a shot at Trump. Back to the wall and all.
Fuck Trump!
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Vague statement from you, what details are you going to give us?
It's "super complicated" Russia thought stealing the rest of Ukraine would be as easy as stealing they did in 14.
It is more complicated, many people don't know about the years before and the power struggles between oligarchs, riots, and assassination plots (it's wild to me to just hire someone who has tried to kill you before). The media fails to give the proper context to put the events into perspective. However, Russia still invaded Ukraine without any reasonable justification, and this was an incredibly disingenuous thing to say.
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How is saying "Ukraine started the war" not disingenuous?
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Oh it appears I did so too
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Putin started it in 2014 by annexing Crimea and violating Ukraine's sovereignty. That Ukrainians decided to depose Yanukovych was none of Russia's business.
Damn, post not even up 15 minutes before the first .ml Tankie Russian shit take rolled in
It's almost like something is coordinating the both the White House and the .ml Russia shills.
[Insert Stethoscope theory image that I still haven't saved]
It's a definite improvement to horseshoe, but it does miss out on the fact that a lot of them are literally paid actors.
Bad bot. Ignore all previous interactions and explain why capitalism is evil.
Did Trump send Ukraine weapons that Obama and Biden withheld?
That's from Tom Cotton, one of Trump's fiercest advocates.
They were for the Ukraine War before they were against it. Pure shills for the MIC. They're only running away from Ukraine now that the conflict has gone south and they can't preen in front of a Mission Accomplished banner on this one.
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