PieFedAmericans are tipping less than they have in years
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Summary
Tipping in U.S. restaurants has dropped to 19.3%, the lowest in six years, driven by frustration over rising menu prices and increased prompts for tips in non-traditional settings.
Only 38% of consumers tipped 20% or more in 2024, down from 56% in 2021, reflecting tighter budgets.
Diners are cutting back on outings, spending less, and tipping less. Some restaurants are adding service fees, further reducing tips.
Worker advocacy groups are pushing to eliminate the tipped-wage system, while the restaurant industry warns these shifts hurt business and employees.
Key cities like D.C. and Chicago are phasing in higher minimum wages for tipped workers.
American tipping culture is so pervasive, anerican POS software companies don't even bother localising POS systems to remove the tipping step.
Like, why is this button here, practically no one is ever going to use it.
If we leave a tip, it's in a tip-jar almost without exception, in cash. It's where you put your poop change or a couple of gold coins ($1 or $2)
(Australia)
Grumble
You can bet there was some more tolerance for it when there was some guilt for office workers staying at home while service roles had to stay on site during the height of covid.
The fact that so many point of sale make it a default thing to put it directly out there for someone to tip before any service is done and with that decision in view of everyone around doesn't sit well either
And the default options are 20, 25, 30 some places.
Ive been at multiple places starting at 30. Fuck that.
Would you like to tip 5000% so I don't shit in your coffee?
I'm so fucking done with it, that I just assume everyone behind me is too. I happily hit that "No tip" button. Unless you provided an active service for me, or went above and beyond to get me something, then why do you deserve a tip? I have to pay you extra money for you to do your job correctly?
It's actually driven moreso by the point-of-sale vendors. They enable it by default, because they make a percentage of the transaction as a processing fee. The merchant has to request that it be disabled.
You think you're tipping the worker, you're actually tipping Jack Dorsey.
Not a POS technically but a previous vet had a jar on the front desk to tip the receptionist. They even stuck a QR code on it in case you don't have cash.
I only tip at restaurants and when I get my hair cut. All of this new tipping stuff, I have always assumed was just a generic update to enable it basically everywhere... I've always hit no tip... I don't feel bad for it... You're not getting paid 2 dollars an hour working at some random place that's not a restaurant... I've heard stories of employees not even getting those tips... It's a push for greed... That's it
Yeah, It was one thing during covid when the waitstaff were all doing takeout but their bills hasn't changed, but it's no longer covid, if I wanted to tip I'd sit my ass down or order delivery. If I come to the counter for my food I don't tip.
I was in SoCal several months back and ended up in a candy shop. Nothing but drawers of candy on the walls and one desk in the middle with a young woman sitting behind the checkout tablet. I had a question or two, but she was neither helpful or knowledgeable (it's candy. not a difficult topic). She seemed very disinterested in engagement.
Well, I finish my selection, she scans and the tablet shows the totals with the big tip screen (NoTip-15-20-25%). I was taken aback that her job would get tips and wondered if she was paid enough before I smashed the NoTip button to finish up since she hadn't done a thing to merit one.
Imagine having to pay a living wage, burger prices would explode!
Except, for example, there is a 12.82€ minimum wage in Germany and a hamburger ist still around 2€ at Burger King (about 1:1 in $ atm). Food and work safety are stricter too iirc. Workers also have 20 days of vacation minimum (if your work full-time), 60h weeks maximum @ 40h on average, as well as extra pay for night, weekend and holiday shifts. And health insurance is about 200 a month at that income I think.
Edit: Oh, and of course still 5-20% tipps.
You are getting screwed over completely. Anyone who claims otherwise is your enemy.
We had 150 million people decide to keep things going the way they are. Until a major slice of shit hits the proverbial fan, nothing will change. The American population is too fat, stupid, and lazy to make the change on its own.
I think it's more of a subsidizing thing. In the UK they get all these things and can't budge due to pushback and culture, so they subsidize those costs with cuts to other places, like shrinkflation in the US, and other places. Costs went up to ship their foodstuffs all over the world, buuuut they enabled tipping at POS in the US, getting poor suckers to make up the difference (they hope)
Not an excuse, but if the US put in place the same things the UK has, fast food would lose their biggest cost subsidy for more expensive places like the UK, and prices would actually go up (because the corpo suits can't take a fuckin pay cut obviously!)
People who earn tips don't want "liveable" wages. They would hate the pay cut.
Stop tipping culture. Pay your workers.
American tip culture is fucked, and it has been for a very long time. Once gas stations started begging for a tip on my soft drinks I figured it was about time to rip the band aid off.
Unfortunately tipping less means wait staff are gonna get fucked -- no way to soften that. We need to get to a place where their livelihoods aren't dependent on generosity.
They what?
at one point they need to learn that to protect their livelihood unionize is the answer, not asking customers to subsidize what the employers are not giving.
I still tip wait staff 20% I just don’t tip at the grocery store. The most egregious I’ve seen was a tip at a full self-service counter. Like who am I even tipping? The cash register?
Why? Did your salary increase with inflation these last several years vs food pricing that’s unhinged from reality?
15% is the new normal.
I’m eating out less instead of tipping less
I did self checkout for the first timw last week. Mothee fucking thing asked for a tip!
Blame the companies, not the customers. I bought a $12 water at a concert and the attendant acted offended I didn't tip. Don't get mad at me.
Yea, we're getting exhausted from being constantly barraged by demands for tips.
I would never go back to that venue. $12 for a water...
You're fine with getting overcharged for the concert and the water, but paying the worker for their time is where you draw the line?
Most people going to concerts can't exactly leave the building, find a different store selling water, buy it, then bring it back in through the concert venue. (Nor are they capable of magically knowing the prices inside beforehand) The reason the price was so high was likely because the venue knew they had a captive audience, and when people need water, they need water. If someone is just forced to pay $12 for water, asking them to subsidize your worker's wages on top is a shitty move, and if nobody tips, then maybe that company will realize that they can't subsidize the wages they pay with tips, and stop relying on them.
Then the attendant gets paid fairly from the get go, and they don't need to be offended if someone doesn't tip, because why the hell should anybody have to subsidize a corporation's wages? If they want workers, charge what's required in the price to pay those workers, no tip required.
When was a kid in the 90s, tip was 10% of the $20 bill. By the time I was eating out a lot in my 20s we left 15% on the $35 because we liked the servers. Now the check is $50 and the "recommended" is creeping past 30%.
Yes this irks me to no end. The tips were going up on their own, so why did the percentage go up?
Because wages didn't go up
Wages don't matter. Nobody working for tips wants to exchange it for wages. The money is in the tips, and that kept going up.
I've seen tipping options on websites to pay your landlord
I don’t get the ones for products. I pay for a trendy pillow or whatever, also shipping at a flat rate, but then there’s a tip button? I just know that’s going straight to Shopify or management.
My electric company has a tip line when paying the bill.
I mean...
2016, I went to a bar and got a 16oz beer, a burger and a basket of fresh fries for $18. I was happy to throw $3-5 on that for decent service, hell even subparbaervice.
Now it's an 11oz beer being sold as a 12oz beer for $9 and a $22 burger, add fries for $4
If I get 2 beers, it's $50 with a tip.
The fuck?
Well, I mean, are you going to continue to go out and hand them all that money? Then they'll continue to feel like they can safely raise prices. If you start making burgers at home and buying beer at the local liquor store, you'll be paying a small fraction of what you paid even in 2016. If you need some social interaction, just make it a cookout and invite people. I'm sure they'll be happy to have you at their place in return.
Making an awful lot of (mostly irrelevant) assumptions here.
I'm simply stating that inflation is a big reason that people don't tip as much.
Inflation *and* wages not going up.
They did if you got tips.....
Customers shouldn't be responsible for ensuring a livable wage for a restaurants employees.
Maybe I'm just weird (probably), but the cost of something has absolutely nothing to do with my choice of a tip. If item + what I feel is an acceptable tip = more than I want to spend, I simply don't purchase that thing, not tip less.
I see a thing as worth a certain number of wage-hours. When the number of wage-hours doubles, but the thing still brings the same essential value to me, as my own wage stagnates, why would I pay a "i feel bad that you also are a wage slave" premium on top? Fuck that. Tipping is an absurd politeness. If those workers are fed up with being underpaid, they should be looking to their bosses, not at my broke ass who just wants food on my break. If they want the tips they have come to expect to be part of their wages, they should look at congress, not my broke ass who just wants a decent haircut.
It's all well and good for him of he stops going, but look at places like McDonald's which has increased prices 100% in the last couple years. They are getting less business so they raise price to compensate. Now the addicts are getting priced gouged even more, so that the line goes up. Late stage capitalism is a motherfucker.
You all are nuts for how much you tip these days.
It used to be you tipped waiters at restaurants (not register jockeys), your hairdresser, the valet guy, the hotel maid, and maaaaybe the delivery guys if they went above and beyond hooked stuff up and you made them carry something heavy up 10 flights of stairs. That’s it.
The waiter got 10-15% for good service. I dunno about hairdressers but I think around 10% was normal. Everyone else got a few bucks to a fiver (unless you drove a Lamborghini)
Tipping landlords - are you kidding me?
Tipping when you weren’t served? - gtfo
Do you do it because you’re afraid of conflict? You’re doing it to yourselves - it was bad enough before and you all are just feeding the beast.
The final straw for me was 5 Guys. They added a gratuity on (wtf for idk coz I got my own EVERYTHING) the ticket, then had the audacity to have a tip jar. Never going back.
Nobody does this.
Tipping culture and systems need to die off. Sadly, because they often get paid more via tips than they would by increased hourly wages, tipped employees are often against such reforms.
And, to be fair, for most restaurants, it would be really hard for them to pay their wait staff appropriate wages in many cities where rent is extremely high and the cost of the food products they use to create their meals is rising as well. It’s not a simple matter of “the employer should pay their employees’ wages, not the customer.” The industry is built around tipping, and that’s not something that can be changed overnight.
Still, I firmly believe it needs to happen. And if that means increasing the price of restaurant meals, so be it. I suspect people eat out too much these days anyway and should learn to cook themselves. I used to eat out a lot until I did some calculations and realized I was spending way too much on it. Since learning to cook, I’ve saved a lot of money and now prefer my own cooking to a lot of restaurant fare out there (although not the really good stuff—I’m no professional chef).
I don’t really agree that restaurants couldn’t make it work. It’s just going to have to take all or nothing.
Getting away from tipped wages is the real problem. Give all restaurant workers fair livable wages, they won’t be on tighter budgets on would spend more going out.
Workers can’t live paycheck to paycheck just for the profits to sit in some CEO or owners back account. The economy is heathy with an exchange of money. More money in the pockets of the people the more they will spend.
Of course it won’t work if one restaurant (or any single company) does it differently when everyone is still on tight budgets. You won’t get the business from your own employees but need others to have the means to come to you too.
I'd rather we just eliminate wait staff in most places. There's almost zero value to a person over a tablet.
I think at some point we need to agree as a society on a no-tipping day in which we stop paying tips, and just keep it up. After that point, no tipping for anything, and rather than not tipping being a stigma, tipping becomes a stigma.
Good! Tipping culture is NOT generosity; it is a symptom of an exploitative economic model that values capital accumulation more than basic human dignity.
Im glad I never eat out due to dietary restrictions. Why does ordering more expensive food entitle a server to more money for doing the same amount of work?
I assume I'm probably just too poor to understand.
Excellent point about price of food vs tip.
Inflated prices and a lack of disposible income will do that.
I also think it's unfair to compare the percentage amounts of current tips to those from 2021, a time when the pandemic was still roaring through the country, a lot of people were trying really hard to support service workers, and everyone had received a bunch of extra money.
I used to love ordering pizza for delivery, and I'd give like 5-10 bucks as a tip which might be 30 or 50% just depending. But now nobody does their own delivery anymore, I pay extra for the food because they're outsourcing to Door Dash, and it takes two hours to get a pizza.
Delivery is dead as far as I can tell. All that's left is going through the fast food drive-through which is like 12-15 bucks nowadays. I'd rather just eat at home.
The only time I go out nowadays is when I'm with a friend.
It takes 2 hours because they're sending a bid to drivers for your delivery contract, which may also include someone else's delivery on the same route, for a base pay of $2 plus your tip. After enough drivers decline that, they add 25 cents and send it around again. This process repeats until someone (hopefully) eventually accepts it. And – whoops – the merchant''s contract with DoorDash requires the driver to have a pizza bag. So the bid only even gets seen by the subset of drivers who do.
That's $2, plus your tip. And that's if the merchant was nice enough to actually pass that tip along when they outsourced the delivery. They aren't contractually required to do so, and some don't.
As an unpaid independent contractor, if I can see it's an outsourced order (placed through the merchant instead of through the delivery marketplace), I won't even accept it, because it's also going to mean losing 10-20 minutes of unpaid time standing around waiting for the merchant (who sent out the contract way too early) to actually start making your pizza, that they already lied about being ready when they sent a notification to you and to me. It's nearly always a disaster.
Edit to add: Just order from Domino's, they do everything in-house.
I'm pretty well done tipping unless I'm going to a sit down restaurant and the service is really good
You know what tipping is supposed to be used for
Yes, allowing management to pay less than a living wage so that the public can cover the rest.
I get your meaning (and agree), but tipping as a practice should be dead and gone.
Yet no server will want to increase that wage because tips are much better.
This argument is always put out there but any server at a decent place would complain if you asked them to take a higher wage instead. Which we have seen over and over again. It's going to be hard to undo the tipping culture due to this.
So, because something isn't easy we shouldn't even try to improve the situation?
Tips are much better now.
As prices go up and wages stagnate, expect tipping to continue to drop as less people eat out and people tip less.
Yea, as people eat out less and restaurants close, the tipping question kind of becomes moot.
This is only going to get worse as late-stage capitalism continues to wring every last penny it can out of the working class.
good work Americans, keep it up.
don't stop until the rate is 0%. paying workers is the employer's job.
Sometimes people try to bring tipping culture to NZ. We show them the door.
Whats funny is when Americans dont care about our non tipping culture and tip anyway
I once worked for an American company that had a requirement that if you're using company money to pay for a meal, you tip at least 20%.
That was very awkward in some countries...
saw that once. The waiter said "I am not allowed to accept tips" and the american looked confused/offended. Thought it was quite funny
One time after a meal out in Wellington, the waiter chased us up the street - he'd just realised he overcharged us for wine, and was bringing us the cash.
Yeah! Thank you so much for punishing the servers and delivery drivers instead of business owners and making it harder for me to pay rent and feed myself! You're all such wonderful people!
nah, by law if nobody tipped, they'd have to be paid by their employer in full. You're not punishing them, you're just not accepting responsibility that, by law, is not yours
Paid in full to... checks notes, ~$3/hour (if they make server rates) or $7.25/hour (if they make federal minimum wage)? Wow. Not sure if they make the higher or lower of the two, but either way...
Also, lots of places straight up just won't do that. They might eventually get caught, and pay a fine or whatever.
Refusing to tip, at the consumer level, will change nothing besides ruining the day/week of the person delivering your order.
there are no server rates. minimum is minimum. the server rate only applies if you tip.
That's like employers holding someone hostage and then claiming any harm that comes to them is your fault.
I feel like this is 90% of politics; a gun is held to someone's head for a hostage demand, and to not give in to the demand is to be as bad as the shooter themselves.
"How could you shoot down my bill for a Coal Chugging Committee? It would've created so many jobs111"
You're still not supposed to shoot the hostages.
Not according to Jack Traven.
https://youtu.be/DuNqh2AOItM?si=ShootTheHostage
How about you be angry at the business owner for paying a shit wage? Tips should be a bonus you get for a job well done not something that makes your life liveable, that's what your wage is for. We aren't to blame if your boss is a piece of shit who refuses to pay you a liveable wage.
Yes, and the way to take that anger out *on the business owner*, is not by withholding a tip to the working class driver (who receives 100% of the tip, btw), it's by not using the fucking service in the first place.
I assure you I am also angry at my corporate masters, but they're irredeemable scum and aren't on Lemmy. It angers me more when I see people cheering that food is being taken out of my mouth as though it's some virtuous blow to my bosses. It's not. You're only further exploiting already exploited people
It angers me when I have to subsidize someone else’s wages because they’re not built into the price I’m paying.
Do you tip the cashier at the grocery store? The technology employee who recommended what TV to buy? The book store worker who helped you find a book?
No, you don’t.
Why? Because their pay is already factored into the price of the goods being sold or the service being provided.
If anyone’s stealing food from your mouth it’s your employer.
What cashiers? All of the cashiers have been replaced by electronic self-checkout systems.
Yes, blame the exploited for their exploitation and never acknowledge your participation in it. You are a good American
It's so much nicer travelling in places where service workers are valued by their employers.
I still support the anti-tipping people though - it's the single best option they have to effect change. It's something small, concrete, and moves things to the desired end-state.
Stop tipping and donate the amount to community organizations fighting poverty instead.
Or better yet advocate for a minimum wage that is actually livable so people don't have to rely on charity organizations that often come with religious strings attached.
I'm with you, these replies are delusional. Saying that the employer has to pay minimum wage if the servers don't get tips is so ignorant it's insane. Servers make like ~$3/hr in a big chunk of the US. That's slave labor in our modern economy. $7.25 is not much better.
They think they're making some grand statement by tipping their UberEats driver $0, while in reality they're just taking money directly from other working class people. And if they *actually* wanted to make a statement, they would not have used UberEats in the first fucking place.
Edit: To be perfectly clear, when I say servers make $3, I am referring to the federal minimum wage for servers, and yes it is different and much lower than $7.25/hr.
I also agree with you but i wanted to point out that if the worker getting paid $3/hr doesn't make enough tips to cover the remaining $4.25/hr in tips then theoretically the business is legally supposed to make up that remaining hourly difference. -I've never seen that happen but a server making such a low amount in tips repeatedly is a server i'd expect to not remain working in that role.
I mean this is the better way to do it honestly. People generally tipping less means those positions basically pay less. The whole reason people work those jobs is because with good tips you can make some serious bank. Stop making bank, people will move elsewhere, can't hire servers because tips don't pay well enough? Then start paying them. If the alternative is everyone just stops tipping tomorrow then people would *really* be screwed, because they wouldn't have time to transition.
Sure it sucks they're getting paid less, but if the alternative is this "you better pay our workers so they can eat because we ain't gonna do it" then I'd say it's a pretty welcome change.
It's also not like the tip amount dropped to 5% or something. Prices have been going nuts lately, so the tips are probably about the same cash amount as they have been, which is just a smaller percent of the now larger bill.
It's not. The *better way* is for people who don't want to tip to stop going out to places or using services where tipping is customary. That way nobody is increasingly encouraged to perform labor for less than they're work is worth. If there are not enough customer's because of this then the businesses will change or perish. All of this anti-tipping sentiment leads me to believe is that if these customers were to trade places with the owners then they'd pay their laborer's just as little.
You negotiated what your labor is worth when you took the serving job; below minimum wage. Don’t like it? Go find a non tipped job that doesn’t rely on patrons subsidizing your wages.
What other industry relies on paying for something and then having to pay more after you’ve already paid the agreed upon price?
there are no "below minimum wage jobs". Minimum is minimum. If you don't tip, the employer has to pay the full minimum wage. If you end up with less than minimum wige, then you were stolen from by your employer. The proper response to which is to go to the authorities, which take this kind of thing quite seriously, not guilt tripping the clients
You agree to tipping by using services and patronising businesses where tipping is customary. Let's not act like you don't understand this ahead of time. People only argue against tipping in these fields to this degree because they want to virtue signal as a cope for making waiters, bartenders, porters, delivery drivers, etc just as poor as they are. -Which is too poor to use or patronize these businesses in the first place.
--They could also simply be astroturfing to sow discord.
If you really care about the businesses paying their staff the full wages then you understand that either way the cost will still be passed onto the patrons, regardless, and the people that claim to be upset are arguing over a pedantic order of operations in the finances.
You're a victim of the system you're protecting. Enough with the Stockholm Syndrome.
The ones funding my bosses and not me are doing a lot more to protect the system than I am. Not tipping has no effect on the employer and only punishes the person providing you a service.
Your employer is required to pay you minimum wage if tips don't make up the difference. If people stop tipping entirely, it actually will impact your boss.
A. Wage theft is widespread and hard to fight without money
B. Minimum wage hasn't been a livable wage since the 70's
We're here talking about it
This makes absolutely no sense. Do you even think before you type or...? It affects your boss dramatically. If they can't find workers because they're too greedy to pay them, then they have no more business to run and go bankrupt. YOUR boss failing to pay YOU is not the customer's fault. YOU'RE producing the labor. How in the hell is it the customer's fault that your boss steals from you and you let him???
They're absolutely correct though and it makes perfect sense. This is a systemic problem. Don't use the service at all if you want to make a statement.
Use the service, and then refuse to tip (100% of which goes to the driver btw), and you are doing nothing but *directly* hurting other working class people. Good job.
Customers fund businesses. Customers who don't tip still fund businesses. Not tipping makes no impact on the business's pay scale.
Tipping only benefits your employer.
Door dasher in Australia here: after about 500 completed orders, I can say I've been tipped once, by this old lady like A$5.
Tipping is stupid. I'm not incentivised to do anything better. The app would just give everyone crappier orders if everyone tipped.
The point of tipping isn't generosity, it's because some jobs in the US make $2 an hour, that tip is their wage.
You tip servers and delivery drivers.
The standard federal minimum wage still applies. If tips aren't enough to get you there then the employer has to make up the difference.
Tips are literally a subsidy paid to your employer so that they don't have to pay you (just the $2.13 federal tipped minimum wage).
Almost no employers do this. And even if they did, 7.25 isn't enough to live anywhere in the US.
employers legally have to, if they don't they are in violation of federal law.
That's true. They still don't.
Sure, *legally* the standard minimum wage applies. The notoriously insufficient even at the time of adoption $7.25/hr minimum wage. If you can get the notoriously understaffed DOL to take a serious look at your case. If you can produce enough evidence. If, per federal minimum wage law, the entire week's pay- not per day, not per hour, per *week*- was less than that minimum wage per hour. If, if, if, then yes, the employer is *technically* required to compensate for the lost wages up to but not more than the $7.25/hr federal minimum wage.
In practice, wage theft is the largest and fastest-growing category of theft in the US.
The point of tipping is to incentivise staff to do a good job. Of course employers saw staff getting extra money and decided they didn't need to pay as much any more. Tipping has now grown to the point where you are expected to pay extra for just about anything or else the worker doesn't get paid, which is not only counter-intuitive, it's just stupid.
I travelled through Eastern Europe a while ago and got so sick of extra "taxes" added to the price of everything that I just stopped buying stuff. I imagine tip fatigue being pretty similar.
Maybe originally, but for servers and delivery drivers, it's the only compensation for their labor they receive.
This is just wrong. If tips stopped tomorrow you'd still get whatever your state minimum wage is (or at least the $7.50 federal minimum).
The worst part is when you go to a place you need to pay before service is rendered.
If I go to the bagel shop and get a dozen I pay before I pick them out. TIP? Are you kidding me, what what, you have not served me yet.
A tip is to reward good service at a sit down place. I still think it shouldn't be and if we have it, it should be back to the 5-10% like most countries that have tipping.
But if you ask for a tip before you render service i get a little angry.
Good, the only way people will get a living wage is if the people stand with them and refuse to tip
Refusing to tip does nothing to convince an employer to pay more. It only further exploits an already exploited worker.
If you actually care don't patronize businesses that have a tipped wage and lobby for a higher minimum wage.
Your advice would require people to drastically change their lives right now. Everything's tipped.
Telling people to stop tipping requires almost nothing from them.
And yes, it will make things worse for the exploited workers - they'll have to find new jobs if they're not happy with their agreed-upon remuneration. But it's this that will convince the employer to pay more - if they can't attract staff they'll have to offer more
Stopping tipping also puts the burden where it should be. You are the one saying your pay isn't enough (and thus need tipping) - you fight for it yourself.
they will just have to exercise the rights *they already have*!
This is how you sound from your high horse.
I need you to understand you are also grandstanding a moral position and that there's nothing inherently wrong with either of us doing that. Strawmanning another's argument to try to give your position a weight it does not possess, however...
Think of it like this: Consumers are *boycotting*. You would doubtless agree that a consumer has the right to boycott, regardless of the negative effects it may have on the business or employees?
Boycotting would be not eating at restaurants that don't pay a living wage. Not tipping is just punishing someone for providing you a service because you think it will somehow influence their employer.
Well, we past our tipping point in the US a while ago, so...
And now that Trump wants to make tips tax free, I'm about to tip even less. At least by the amount of the tax deduction.
I wonder if all of the places like Subway that are asking for tips and getting $0 because who the hell tips at a Subway, are throwing off this stat at all.
Probably not directly, but I think tipping fatigue is definitely affecting things. If you’ve been prompted 10 times already to tip at places you usually wouldn’t tip and then are in a sit down restaurant, you may very well feel inclined to tip less.
Employees at places like Subway and Starbucks could be getting screwed by no one using cash anymore too.
If I'm using a card there's no change to toss in the jar.
We shouldn't have to subsidize someone else's shitty wages. People who rely on tips need to unionize and put that nonsense to bed for good.
Considering the article specifies “full-service restaurants,” Imma go with no
I'm not in the best health so I do a lot of order at home.
GrubHub/DoorDash/etc. all calculate the tip based on the order + their fees, not the order itself.
If I order a $60 dinner, I'm tipping 20% of $60. Not 20% of $60 + your delivery fee and your service fee.
Tipping has always been a stupidly arbitrary thing to base tips on anyway, *especially* for delivery drivers.
As a driver, I accept runs based on dollar per mile because that's what actually factors into my income. I don't care what you ordered unless it's 100 items at the grocery store with cases of water bottles. The price is always irrelevant
Wasn't trump talking about making tips tax-free? It's only going to make the problem a lot worse. Maybe the problem getting so bad will reach a breaking point and we're seeing some of the effects of this aggressive push to shove tipping everywhere now.
I'm sympathetic to tipped labor, but I can't imagine why they shouldn't pay taxes on it. These are their wages and if they get paid so little that they need to not be taxed but still pay them we need to either adjust the progressive taxation tiers or to figure out something else. Because this feels more like an attempt to normalize removing taxes than an attempt to alleviate the burdens on the poor
"Corporations and Restaurants refuse to pay waiters a living wage, subsidizing their salaries with their already drawn thin customers' depressed wages."
There, I fixed the title so it identifies the actual problem rather than causing divisions in the working classes.
Meanwhile federal minimum wage is still $7.25/hr. Less, if you're a server.
You flew too close to the sun, you insufferable, greedy pieces of shit. Pay your workers a livable wage yourself, we're done subsidizing your labor abuses.
A gas station that I go to added a tips jar a few years ago. Wtf. You aren't doing shit but tapping on a sale screen. I really like the people working there. They remember me and we chat. But I'm not tipping you because I bought a Gatorade and you rang it up.
On the other hand, I dated someone from another country who didn't live a tipping culture. When she covered a meal and didn't tip, I'd leave cash because I know it's expected. I was embarrassed that she didn't agree with our custom.
Tipping needs to go. Just pay people a fair wage.
When I go out, I usually tip well. My sister used to be a bartender and waitress and she relied on tips.
That said, tipping is really screwed up now. I went to a stadium for a game once and the employee said that they don't receive the tips when you tip for buying a beer or whatever unless it's cash. That's messed up if true.
I used to think Mr. Pink was an asshole, but he was on to something. I wish tipping was eliminated completely.
That's the real problem.
No employee should rely on the arbitrary generosity of their customers.
Employers need to pay their staff properly for the job they're doing.
And if some staff member happens to go above and beyond, a customer can optionally choose to reward them for that extra level of service with no societal pressure or guilt..
Mr. Pink was definitely an asshole
Tipping is beyond fucked up.
Guy at home depot loading your heavy ass lumber into the truck? No tip.
Some dipshit behind the counter punching numbers on a screen, you better believe that's a tippin!
STOP TIPPING unless somone is actually serving you!! Ask yourself, is this service closer to the guy loading the lumber, or the gas station attendant sitting behind the register?
FTFY
Also good!
People tip more than 10%?
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I've been tipping 10% at restaurants for the last decade and don't tip anywhere else. *Shrug*
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Nope, but I've worked for minimum wage.
Lol, as an American those tip rates can get fuckef
I'm totally down with tipping for good service. But it's backwards. I'm suppose to tip before service. Personally, we have cut back going out with a lot of times thinking that it's too expensive. The worst is when there's a line behind you and the lowest tip preset is at %25. You have everybody looking at you while you try to set it lower.
Why are you tipping if there's a line? The line implies self service.
Fast casual
Tip fatigue is real. When every interaction with a touchpad asks you for a little something extra on top of inflation, it gets old fast.
I tip 20% when I get served by a person. I typically add 10-15% on carryout, for their troubles.
A brewery I go to weekly for dinner with friends recently changed the tip buttons on the pad to 18, 22, and 25. I like them a lot, but the place is pricey, and you have to go to the bar to order. They get the 18% button now. (I could do the math, but... beer)
When will you start tipping your car dealer 10-15%? your lawyer? PCP? insurance agent?
The troubles are real after all.
Don't forget to tip your landlord while you're at it, and give an extra 10% to the fed come tax time (so now.)
Do you tip 10-20% at the drive through? It's equivalent to take out except you don't have to get out of your car.
Can't wait until we start tipping our colleagues for replying to our emails. It's only fair.
I swear when I was a kid in the 90s 5-10% was standard.
Anyone else remember this?
I grew up waiting tables in the late 90's - early 00's. The state I was in had a mandatory 8% tax claim on total sales for the day. So if you did $2000 in food / liquor sales, you had to claim $160 in additional, taxable wages within the time keeping system at the end of your shift. We also received a base wage that was equivalent to the state minimum wage at the time.
Based on my experiences working everywhere from small chaim restaraunts in mill towns to hipster bars in metropolitan areas, that 5-10% was pretty accurate.
However, there were usually one or two anomalies every shift that meant you'd clear an overall net closer to 20% for the day.
The smart ones budgeted around a 0% take home and treated their tips as a supplement, the rest of us lived together so rent was cheap enough we could still waste our money on drinking and partying after shift.
Yup and tips were only for a short list of things like waiters or cabbies.
"Let me tip the taco time drive through"
- Statement from the deranged.
Im 40. It had always been 15% as long as I can remember, and my memory of it goes pretty far back. When I started learning percentages in math class my parents made me the tip calculator whenever we'd go out so that would have been 8 or 9 years old?
10 bad, 15 average, 20 good service. I've always gone above 20, having worked plenty of years relying on it for income myself
No, it's been 15% as standard for food.
For whatever reason you can go lower on things like haircuts, and drinks were always a dollar (finally getting down to 15% now)
Good, keep it up
I've been tipping more, but that's mostly because I live in a relatively low-income area and I know people around here are cheap/frugal. I've also worked in food service before (though not deliveries) and I know just how awful it can be. I hope I can be the one delivery that allows the person to call it an early night and spend time with their family. Shit like that.
That being said, I don't know what kind of notes the drivers get when they see my order pop up, but I will say that 99% of the time, my service has been impeccable. They know.
HOWEVER, don't take this as approval for tipping culture. I hate it and would love to do away with it. Unfortunately, I understand that these people depend on my tips for a living wage and that sucks.
Make sure you're tipping cashiers too then
Tipping was essentially an American invention to not pay black people. (Who were the majority of service industry workers in the late 1800s/1900s?)
Also keeps that servant/master power dynamic.
What they need to do is scale the tips up to 40, 50, and 60%, and get rid of that pesky custom button
Then I'm going to pay in cash if I need to buy it, or else I'll just walk away.
I refuse to go anywhere I have to tip.
Obligatory Reservoir Dogs scene
I am a big believer in tipping and always tip the same way: I start at 18-20% and go down from there, based on service, friendliness, and food quality.
That said, I go out a lot less post-Covid, as the quality of the experience isn't what it used to be. I tend to stick to poke and sushi nowadays, as it tends to be fresher and the service better.
You know the server doesn't cook, right?
Food establishments I am familiar with see tips split/shared between front of house (servers, host, etc) and back of house (kitchen staff)
So the foh staff is paid a normal wage?
The whole West Coast does not have a separate minimum wage for waitstaff, so tips are on top of wages. Makes the whole “20% tip” culture feel a bit weird to me, but it’s still the norm.
Been to a few no-tip restaurants, cost of individual menu items was higher relative to comparable items at other restaurants. I feel like I remember the final bill being comparable to or lower than meal+tip elsewhere.
That's great, I think we should abolish tipping culture
The server doesn’t get you seated. In many places they don’t bring your food. They don’t cheat the table. They don’t prep the food or wash the dishes
Who cheats on the table?
If they aren't bringing your food then they aren't a server
The point is there are a lot of people who work together to provide good service at a restaurant. Why does the person who takes my order deserve a tip while the rest don’t?
Because a server makes about $2 an hour and the restaurant requires you to tip in order to have them make a livable wage. I think we should move away from it but if you go to a restaurant that supports tipping then you should tip. Tip more for great service but tipping nothing or next to nothing is just scummy behavior regardless of service.
I'm going to assume you are referring to the food quality being part of the tip. While the server isn't directly responsible for that, their presentation and delivery of the order, as well as attitude and reaction to what I might send back and the resolution thereof, is. If they go out of their way to make me happy, for better or worse, they did their job correctly and deserve the tip.
Server has nothing to do with presentation. Have you ever worked in that field?
Actually, I have: line cook, prep cook, server, and dishwasher. I know my way around the kitchen, both at home and in a commercial environment.
When I say presentation (you're thinking of plating the food), I'm talking about how a server would present food, drink, and other accoutrement to guests, including how well they dress, cleanliness, even grace. It all matters. Presentation is the server's main responsibility, including front end representation for the backend. Have you worked in the industry?
So do you think there should be a minimum that should be tipped or are you okay leaving a measly amount if they don't pass your arbitrary standards?
What are we supposed to tip with? Shit is so expensive it's tough to afford eating out at all and when we do go out, we pay more for less and it's often made poorly compared to what it once was.
This is why I upped my tipping on the rare times I do eat out.
Edit: yeah, how fucking dare I?
Chinese tip always 2 dollars
That's funny, wife and I haven't even tipped at all in years
Wait, no, I lie, I did tip the lady who went above and beyond this one time to make sure my meal went super smooth
ETA: lol, knew I'd get downvoted by butthurt idiots who don't know shit. I live in one of the states with full minimum wage for the tipped roles (5 bucks more if it's fast food) so why the fuck should I tip anyone if they're making the same as anyone else at the bottom of the ladder?
Buncha fools
i actually give everyone a 600% tip because i want to show everyone that i love american lifestyle
Lot of assholes in this thread. If you're rich enough to eat out, tip.
If you dont have enough to tip, dont order out.
Here’s a tip: organize and make employers pay a fair wage.
Yes.
Explain to me why tip percentages should increase along with the cost of the food?
Seems to me there was a built in raise and then people started saying it should be 25 percent.
I was pretty pissed off when it went from 10 to 15. At 20 it is just obscene.
I will tip for service. I even tipped well yesterday for take out because they see me come in and actually remember me and begin my order before I have to give it. For that knd of service I will tip well.
But other take out places... Why am I tipping then at all?
Wow a very bad take without exceptions.
Exception: when you pay in a State that has laws protecting their workers from this abuse, you dont have to tip.
And people who don't have a choice to eat out but aren't able to tip because of income should...
Don't eat out?
So don't eat at all?