PieFedThe erasure of Luigi Mangione
dexa_scantron@lemmy.world
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substack.evancarroll.com/p/the-erasure-of-luigi…
Right now, on Stack Overflow, Luigi Magione’s account has been renamed. Despite having fruitfully contributed to the network he is stripped of his name and his account is now known as “user4616250”.
This appears to violate the creative commons license under which Stack Overflow content is posted.
When the author asked about this:
As of yet, Stack Exchange has not replied to the above post, but they did promptly and within hours gave me a year-long ban for merely raising the question. Of course, they did draft a letter which credited the action to other events that occurred weeks before where I merely upvoted contributions from Luigi and bountied a few of his questions.
user4616250 will now be a famous meme.
"How do we fix healthcare? We call user4616250."
Do not forget me
user4616250
Look down, look down
You'll always be a slave
Look down, look down
You're standing in your grave
[He appears in front of the court]
[He unbuttons his shirt to reveal the scares of a botched surgery]
A musician needs to write a catchy tune to put the name to so people will remember the numbers.
♪ 0118 999 88199 9119 725 ...3
Oh this takes me back! Thanks for the laugh you triggered :)
0118 999 881 999 119 725... 3
"calling user 461-62-50,
he's our dude,
what he does is nifty!"
:)
It will likely take months, but I'm gonna try. I might give up before it is done, though.
I believe in you. If it isn’t the new 867-5309, hopefully it will at least be the next 6060-842.
Luigi, when the CEO fell.
Luigi, Luigi, who can I turn to?
You give me something I can hold onto!
Things can't stay the way that they were before
It's time to put some villains up on the wall!
Luigi I got your number!
I think it's hero time!
Luigi don't change your number!
Four six one six two five oh!
Four six one six two five oh!
Four six one six two five oh!
Four six one six two five oh!
Luigi Luigi you're the guy for me
Oh, you don't know me but you make me so happy.
I tried to free you but I lost my nerve.
I said "nullification" but I got censored
Luigi I got your number.
I think it's hero time.
Luigi don't change your number
Four six one six two five oh!
Four six one six two five oh!
Four six one six two five oh!
Four six one six two five oh!
I got it (I got it) I got it
Put those assholes on the wall!
I got it (I got it) I got it
For the good of, for the good of us all!
Luigi, Luigi who can we turn to
(Four six one six two five oh)
To know our pain, we can always turn to you.
(Four six one six two five oh)
Get Vikas Music, he's based enough to put it to eurobeat.
I suggest these guys
Nice and catchy, but it needs to be catchy with more digits. Tommy "Tutone" Heath is still alive. I'm just saying.
Anytime a CEO does something questionable; "/ping user4616250"
Moat famous number since 24601
It’s like squid game where they identify you by a number. Long live user4616250
Please let it be, haha
I was thinking tattoo...
I cross posted this to Hacker News (which is very pro-CEO and big corpo) and it's now rank 1 on the front page, lmao. People really support this guy
(And it's funny because in the comments, people are seething "Nooooo he's not popular, look at these polls that show he has 13% approval!!")
(Not sharing link to avoid brigade)
What kind of world have we come into where Hacker News is a pro corporation website?
Hackers used to be the antithesis of big corporations and capitalist overreach.
The submission has been clearly penalized by hn moderators: Posted 3h ago, upvoted >600 times with almost 500 comments, ranking 23rd on the front page. Ranking first currently is a submission with 80 upvotes, posted 1h ago.
Wow, they also changed the title lmao. I posted it with the same title as the article
What does hn refer to?
Hacker News. it's a link aggregator website and forum at news.ycombinator.com
Thx
Np
Even if the 13% number were accurate - that's a pretty damning number. 13% of people supporting someone for gunning down a CEO in cold blood is terrifying to CEOs.
That's not 13% hating them. That's 13% of people celebrating someone for *killing* them. No lawsuits. No trials. Just gunning them down in the streets. Things have gotten really bad when you have that much of the population actively supporting your murder.
That 13% would also be people who would openly admit to supporting his actions. There are a lot of people who condemn his actions publicly but in their own minds...?
If billionaires were protected as we protect children in schools, we’d literally run out billionaires in a month.
You promise?
This is the only solution to modern world problems. Imagine how many problems we would solve right away if we started gunning down powerful people, CEOs, politicians.
"Look at our corporate polls! Stop liking him!"
What fuckery is this?
Live too long and become a villain
Lmao it has 3x as many votes as anything else on HN but the moderated pushed it all the way down to page 3 (position 60-something when I just checked).
Wait, seriously? WTF is it named hacker news? Hackers are the least corporate people out there...
Because those are the equivalent of Hippies that turned Yuppies.
Yuppies are weird because it was originally just a way to keep them in the news ("new movement! new group! news at 11!") and be ridiculous. They got the DoD to sign a contract about exactly how high they were permitted to levitate the Pentagon.
And then it had it's own Eternal September moment. But everything seems to.
*laughs in Google “do no evil”*
Most American hackers need a security clearance to work, you won't find them supporting Saint Luigi online
What can Stack Overflow's motivation possibly be to strip Luigi's account? Are their private equity owners in cahoots with health insurance executives?
A connection I may be inventing comes to mind: all the CEOs making million dollar donations to the new administration in the US.
Basically, show you’re on the side of “law and order” and hope you’re not caught up in any purges.
Preemptive compliance.
Kiss the ring.
maybe its poisoning the ai training
It's pretty standard when a highly-publicized murder suspect's online profiles are discovered. Platform admins will typically disable/hide their accounts from the public while investigations/trials are ongoing. This is hardly unique to Luigi.
Source: your ass
Do you have other examples? Because the article gave an example of a similar account that was not anonynized like this. Sure, accounts are often taken down, but the content isn't left up.
How would this apply to the fediverse
It probably wouldn't, because it's unlikely anyone is going to do the work, especially since there are a lot of jurisdictions involved. That's a lot of work for a relatively small userbase.
It would depend on the software in use, but i think the instance admin could probably delete the account. About renaming... maybe, fiddling with the database. Again, depends on the software (and admin).
I'm starring this cause I want to look into this myself, and if I find any technical sources that address this claim and actually detail this as a SOP, I'll reply with that source later, or otherwise reply with "I didn't find anything."
This is the main issue IMO
Yeah, I edited the post to call that out specifically
By this logic, everyone charged (not convicted, just charged) should have their accounts and submissions changed in the same manner as Luigi's.
Man I sure wish this'd mean all Trump-generated content and speeches got deleted. That'd be genuinely helpful to the world at least...
Didn't he confess though? That's quite a bit different than a pending trial.
The presumption or admission of guilt does not and should not justify violating the Creative Commons License, nor perpetrating any illegal behavior agains any individual(s).
If JK Rowling went out and robbed a bank, or murdered an ex-Husband, in no world or timeline would that give a member of her publishing company the right to scratch out her name from any of her books and replace it with their own or someone else's.
Absolutely. Even a guilty verdict shouldn't justify violating the Creative Commons License. It should either be completely taken down/hidden, or left in-tact.
That's not at all what I'm saying though though, I'm saying that it's reasonable for the site to take action to hide the account. He's a public figure with an apparent confession, which is going to attract a lot of attention to that account that otherwise wouldn't be there. They shouldn't have done it this way since it violates the Creative Commons License, but I am saying that action to hide/disable the account is warranted.
So far, all I've found is a 2018 publication by the Police Executive Research Forum, entitled "*The Changing Nature of Crime And Criminal Investigations*". It's a 67 page document, and I'm curious to see if it discusses how their investigation tactics may have changed, and if so, whether the aforementioned tactic is mentioned as being included.
I didn't find anything. But I also work 40 plus hours a week, so that doesn't necessarily mean there's not something out there. But it's more likely the case that this might not be true, from what I know.
Another comment way down claims it's standard operating procedure for social media sites to disable/hide and account of a highly publicized murderer, particularly during investigations. However, the provided no examples nor sources or technical documents that detail this as something that is genuinely done as a standard procedure.
I'm kinda gonna do my own research on that, but I feel the validity of Stack's actions would to some degree depend on the results of researching that claim, and whether or not that is true.
It's kinda difficult to research something like that though when most highly publicized murders predated social media in its current form, so it would be hard to have a lot of examples despite there being a decent number of people who fit the bill, ironically.
Pled not guilty. No he did not.
Pretty much everyone pleads not guilty, especially in a politically motivated murder charge (there's always a chance of a hung jury or jury nullification). That said, his manifesto could be considered a form of confession and will certainly be used as evidence to that effect.
He pled not guilty, it really is that simple.
Innocent until proven guilty.
I never said he was guilty, I said he confessed. A plead of "not guilty" doesn't necessarily mean you think you're innocent (i.e. you perjure yourself; the 5th amendment protects against that), it just means you want to go through a trial. You can confess and still choose to go through trial proceedings.
That's fucking bullshit.
Censorship needs to die.
platforms like this are essentially private ownership of the commons
"Cancel culture" as a term has been abused, but this one... damn this is really cancel culture.
never out blind fate in corporations or govenments
https://stackoverflow.co/company/leadership/
Headquarters seems to be:
70 White Lion Street, London, England, N1 9PP
To send all your angry letters too.
Make sure to include bullet points
Bullet points work best when using a 9mm font size.
(Approximately 25.5 pt. Now, the closest traditionally named font size is 24pt, called "double pica", and Pica Pica is the latin name for the magpie, who is known for stealing and hoarding shiny things. What does this mean??)
Settle down, Charlie Day.
PowerPoint is seldom used in the Mafia because of all the bullet points.
Marked as triplicate
Gottem
I used to live in that neighborhood. That must just be one of those places that gives people an address that looks fancy methinks
It’s a place called “Spaces” seems like companies rent a small room or so as a physical presence.
Definitely not any kind of HQ. I'd be surprised if more than one or two people go there for Stack Exchange. Mostly remote employees?
“No wars but class wars” as true today as when Trotsky said it many decades ago.
Not sure how anyone cannot see this very, very clear fact, made self evident by the treatment of Luigi and the composition of the upcoming administration and its supporters.
But every other commoner that sees it needs to take according measures.
Culture is not our friend.
Righteous censorship, got it.
Can’t have a “terrorist” demonstrating his competence and productivity after all.
The overlords know they’ve really fucked up when the competent, productive people start getting resentful and side-eyeing the system.
Don't worry everyone, the new President is going to rename the Gulf of Mexico and annex Greenland, so that will take care of it!
I hope he nukes the moon next time i he's n hot water.
True, although it may also be "good things" done by person do not outweigh "bad thing" done by person. I'm sure there's a name for that.
Like human experimentation. Yes, bad, shouldn't be done, outright illegal, immoral, inhumane, but *has* been done. Should we discard the scientific results?
There should be efforts to duplicate the results in an ethical way, the lack of rigorous ethics indicates biases. If you tortured a guy for research, did you also do less bad things like falsify results?
The Stanford prison experiment is a good example, afaik they published in several journals and I don't believe any of them have printed retractions. There are huge problems with the methodology that are still being discussed, and the results are still being referenced.
Righteous censorship is only "righteous" because everyone else is prevented from saying otherwise.
They're scared of Luigi still, got it
That's not what the article is about. Stack Overflow has kept content that Luigi created up, but removed his username, in violation of Creative Commons. Edited the post to make that more clear.
If they weren't afraid of what he represents they wouldn't have removed his name.
Yeah exactly. And they're not allowed to under the Creative Commons licence
...and yet...
Which is exactly the reason we are in a post discussing it.
This is the equivalent of a bank robber standing in a vault, filling his bag full of jewels. One of the hostages yelling "You can't do this, it's illegal." Some other guy yells "...and yet..." minutes before police sirens can be heard outside.
I look forward to Mangiine catching wind of this, which is basically theft, and adding it to the laundry list of things to be tried in court.
Indeed, I wonder if we'll start seeing reforms before or after a copycat strikes.
I doubt before. They're still hoping they can erase or villainize him. I expect the news media will ignore his trial in favor of whatever antics Trump or Musk are up to, and we won't hear much about him until there's a guilty verdict they can parade before the masses in order to dissuade them from copying him. If he does get mentioned, they'll be trying to frame him in as negative a light as possible and downplay his motives. I also expect the big social media will censor discussion under the guise of not promoting violence, or simply shadow ban any mention of him.
No, they're terrified of us now, they know we tasted blood and are hungry for more.
I know I am. I'm so sick of this system they've created and perpetuated for decades/centuries. I just want to live my fucking life without worrying about basic needs, or how someone with most can take even more from those who have little. Americans have more guns per capita than almost anywhere else. Those are guns in the hands of the people, not mercs or armies or private security. They should be afraid of us. They should be checking their car's undercarriage daily before getting in. They should vary their routes daily to avoid patterns. They should see every person on the street as a potential assassin. Only THEN, will anything about these parasites' attitudes change.
Unfortunately, so many with the skills to engage in revolution are aligned with the interests of these corporate leeches, and thus are fighting the masses, instead of standing with them. They wanted a Civil War #2, it's time to kick up, not down!
Fucking terrified. I've never seen corpos circle their wagons like this before. It's hilarious.
Assigning to a number like they do prisoners.
Disgusting behaviour from Stack Overflow and the perpetrators.
He's user number 24601 as far as I'm concerned
694201337
Gione Valgione
probably was the internal id number, but still scummy behaviour.
we are all numbers. lemmy.ca has a user number for you, your government has a number for you, your local library has a number for you.
that is just how a digital world works.
I'm not a number, I'm a emojii!
What if I told you that television shows were dangerous? It's true. In the year 2000, four out of every five injuries occurred in a home that owned a VHS copy of Robocop III. Someone might say, "That's compelling Robocorrelation, but that data alone does not suggest Robocausation." Fine. But maybe your first instinct was to say, "Robocop III is a movie, not a TV show, you fucking dumbass." If so, then congratulations, idiot, you're a Technical Genius. You're smart enough to spot a technicality, but too dumb to know everyone else did too and it was light years away from the point. You're the kind of person who tells your doctor, "Um, it's Chief Chirpa?" when he tells you that getting the Wicket doll out of your asshole will require surgery. "And, um," you'll add, "it's an action figure? Maybe you should have gone to a non-stupid medical school."
The nice thing about being a Technical Genius is that it feels like proof you're smarter than everyone. They can say you don't "get it" all day, but they're the imbeciles who think Robocop III is a TV show. Look at it like this: You are the only one in the history of Koala Times Bus Tours to contract syphilis from a koala bite. You might be embarrassed, but at least you aren't like those other fools screaming "Don't touch the koala bears!" when they are in fact marsupials. I mean, if koalas were actual bears, your whole face would be missing, not still here and covered in pulsing chancres.
Technical Geniuses reach maximum annoying when they decide that pointing out technicalities is a sense of humor. For instance, if you announced, "My wife is pregnant and we're having a boy," a Technical Genius might quip, "Well, technically only women can have babies. Unless you count the Chief Chirpa action figure currently breaching my anus -- um, which you should, since it is the dictionary definition. Heard of it? Hey, everyone! This idiot with no dictionary is watching me shit out a Chief Chirpa, and he doesn't even know which gender gives birth!"
Stack Overflow has been toxic for a long time already. It's one of the things that a lot of people seem pleased to see AI devour.
Time to boycott the platform!
I've read it is still well valued because people will keep asking questions there when LLM can't answer, so they remain a precious source of post LLM curated Q&A.
...for now.
Until it's just AIs answering questions asked by other AIs while human admins block human accounts..
Solaria, here we come.
Just started reading Foundation, it's very well written.
Valuable information source becomes bot recycling machine..? Hey, I Reddit before!
Yeah, AI has become good enough at this point that you can provide it with a large blob of context material - such as API documentation, source code, etc. - and then have it come up with its own questions and answers about it to create a corpus of "synthetic data" to train on. And you can fine-tune the synthetic data to fit the format and style that you want, such as telling it not to be snarky or passive-aggressive or whatever.
It can reproduce an api. Can't solve actual problems. LLMs are completely incapable of innovation.
That's not really true though.. They come up with brand new sentences all the time.
It can but you to closely midwife it into doing so.
And yet the synthetic training data works, and models trained on it continue scoring higher on the benchmarks than ones trained on raw Internet data. Claim what you want about it, the results speak louder.
That might be true if any human could reasonably ask a question there now. Ask a question, and you are likely going to see it removed for a variety of reasons.
To be honest, I had a bad experience a few years ago when I wanted to try contributing, and I never tried again. Yet, I think it's really hard to strike a balance of freedom and constrains for organically curated Q&A, so I try not to be too fast on judging them considering the service that they indubitably provided to millions of people.
I haven't really had an issue with SA toxicity.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
“Trickle down economics only occurs when the wealthy bleed.”
Similar, and appropriate. The working class will only benefit once the wealthy are no longer wealthy.
Jean Valjean was labelled prisoner number 24601, apropos of nothing
Who is that?
Ah, a character for Les Miserables.
Why the fuck did they turn the book into a musical I can never unfortunately understand
I enjoyed it, though I'd much prefer to watch it live.
Money. Like how the CEO who got shot turned people’s suffering into money
Stopped using stack overflow ages ago because of how many assholes there are there.
I also stopped posting there years ago for much the same reason. You could feel the strangulation of the community as duplicate questions started getting shouted down, posts got turned into "community wikis" against your will and your own questions started getting edited to better fit someone else's plans and ideologies. The company was sold shortly after, so maybe animals can sense their pending extinction (some of them anyway)?
I miss those days when writing an answer genuinely felt like helping to grow the global community of friend developers. It's a shame no technology has been discovered that will let the small amount of collective good in us all work together against the assholes, but alas it seems the opposite is always true.
What's even more annoying is when their refinements end up putting an objectively wrong answer as the authoritative record.
I found a question where someone new to electronics was how to get more current from a USB power supply.
The "correct" answer that was posted before the question was closed was that a source can't limit current and the questioner should learn more about electricity.
The actual correct answer - and probably what the questioner was looking for - is to short the data lines together because a compliant USB charger will only supply 500mA by default, not it's stated max current.
What drives me mad is when a question is closed as a duplicate, and when you look at the duplicate it's either for a different version of the product and thus the answer isn't relevant, or the question straight up wasn't answered there either.
Increasingly, I find the answer is in the comments, or not at all
More likely the changes were made to improve the "saleability" of the website.
One of the promises of the internet was, supposedly, that it couldn't really be monopolized because the barriers to entry were so low. But what we've seen is the influence of the Networking Effect as a means of consolidating user bases, combined with a cartel-style censorship that limits the degree to which word-of-mouth can influence a nascent community's growth.
And now the AI comes to fully alienate us from each other, leaving even the more token communities with a "am I talking to a real person or a computer facsimile" lingering dread with each passing year.
"How do I get this working in 22.04?"
"Previous question answers this." Tagged as best answer
"No, the previous question answers it with a method that was removed in 22.04"
silence
That hits hard for me. Not that someone changed the spirit of my answer but that someone completely reworded it without my permission. It was almost like they were trying to steal my idea without running afoul of copyright or something.
I got a decade old question closed as a duplicate.
It's 40% assholes
People who delete
"Hi,"
From the first line of the question
Because a modicum of politeness and humanity is inefficient
And don't get me started about the XY problem solvers
Stack exchange gamifies rudeness and dismissiveness.
You don't want to go to Pornhub then
You'd probably get better coding advice in the comments.
You can just ask an AI anyway since it's training set will basically just be stackoverflow.
Just tried this and the AI told me my question was a duplicate and my post was removed.
the entirety of stackoverflow is not enough data to make the AI work properly. They need terabytes of text, stackoverflow has about 50-100GB of useful data at most
Plus AI is actually happy to answer your random questions, with an immediate response. Stack overflow will quickly become obsolete as AI gets better
AI is just regurgitating old stack overflow. It's not going to get better.
AI is going to get worse, while stack overflow will be superceded by better resources in the future.
It would be pretty neat if Sal Kahn created an alternative, but that's very different from his existing project.
Laws mean nothing anymore. Therefore licenses mean nothing. Therefore ownership means nothing, and "theft" no longer exists.
WOAH WOAH WOAH... hold on there Circuitfarmer (checks clipboard) It says here you're not nearly affluent enough to circumvent the law... we'll be keeping a close eye on you... --BB
I managed to convince my brother in law by using the wrongful death case of Kanokporn Tangsuan as an example. Framed it as his moral responsibility to never sign up for any digital media ever again since he has a family. I pointed him to a few resources to sail the high seas and he's got his high seas pc hooked up to his TV and cancelled all his subscriptions. I'm so proud.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
Jfc y'all sound like magats
There is no law forcing a company to spread your message for you.
There is when Stack is using a creative commons license.
No there isn't.
Stack Overflow is privately owned by Prosus. You have certain limited rights to the content they host but they do not have the obligation to keep the content up and they even have user terms that every account agrees to: especially for moderation.
If they'd just removed his content outright, I would agree with you. But if they've left his content up without attribution, that does violate the CC agreement, of which they are upheld by.
I mean, it's still a small copyright violation whom the proprietor of is a bit preoccupied to do anything about, so uh...this whole thing is quite dumb.
Idk if usernames count as "attribution", even, but I assume the results would be the same if an account was named Jeremy Assface, Ted Bundy, or Adolf Hitler even if the user's actual name was such. Not to compare Luigi to any of those people, no, but the point is usernames are moderated.
They agreed to terms when they operated under Creative Commons.
In my experience it’s usually the magats who are the ones defending asshole and/or immoral behavior by pointing out that the offender is acting within the bounds of the law or within their legal rights.
Idk, I feel like Luigi Mangione being a phrase not allowed on Stack Overflow just makes sense. Good policy.
Stack being weird and toxic I'm shocked, shocked I tell you
Is there a mirror for Stacks content? I've been concerned for some time that they are a vital resource that a corporation could ruin at any moment.
Stack Overflow seems to be doing a prompt job of that already
You can download pretty much all of stackoverflow as ZIM files for self-hosting.
I've looked into this but they aren't exactly small, it's not a straightforward operation for even the average developer or systems engineer to restore these into a working format.
I was thinking we need something along the lines of a read only public mirror run by the proper open source community - e.g. SourceForge or a major Linux project.. ISP's and universities offer mirrors of Linux packages so this could be a resource offered in the same vein. That's my line of thinking as far as a StackOverflow mirror goes anyway!
Of course they aren't small, but they are probably as small as it gets, since they are pretty efficiently compressed.
I am not sure what you mean by
since it is really trivial to use them. Just load them with Kiwix and serve them as a website. It doesn't get much easier than that.
I was referring to the file size being the barrier. The 2024 large database size of 202GB is prohibitive for the average person's resource capabilities. i.e. I have a home VPS host and I don't even have that much free space. Your cloud operating costs would also go up with the storage and bandwidth use.
There's also two separate issues I was kinda mixing up. I'm a developer who uses StackOverflow and would like to use a resource that is readily available. I think it'd take a few hours to setup even a smaller copy of SO, which isn't ideal for answering a quick question. I also don't want to setup a whole mirror site with custom work just for myself and because I'm paranoid Microsoft miight buy them and paywall SO overnight or something.
I looked into doing something similar with Wikipedia and the recommendation is also to use Kiwix, and the offline file size is also very large.
Welcome to the collapse! Hoarding "clean data" for personal use is like hoarding clean water and food: you need a place to keep it, and it starts going stale the minute you shelve it. So either buy a digital bunker to load up with what you need or ask the all knowing AI gods for answers like the other poors.
Also the Stack Exchange software used to be open source, surely there's still a fork somewhere. You could certainly run your own Developer QA site, but like with Lemmy, the problem then is getting enough traffic to be able to productively tap into the collective wisdom.
(Edit: sorry, this comes across mean spirited but I'm honestly sympathetic and just nihilisticallly frustrated to be in a similar situation. I foresee a big NAS and a lot of downloads in my future, but I hope we also find ways to share our forbidden knowledge until the day it can be free again)
When hosting this locally, I don't see how 200 GB is much of an issue. Storage is so cheap these days, if you want to host it locally, just buy a 256 GB SSD just for that data for $20. Anyway, you were asking for a mirror, to which I replied with the information about the ZIM files. I don't really understand the issue. Stackoverflow just isn't that small, there is not much you can do about that.
The download? Maybe, depends on your Internet connection's speed. Actually serving it as a website certainly doesn't take hours. It is rather a matter of seconds.
Neither is SO's content.
Reducing someone to a number has never backfired in a revolutionary way. Just ask prisoner 24601
I thought the exact same thing and we should all endeavor to use 4616250 as a meme.
Apropos of nothing, this was an article about substance from a year ago:
Substack faces user revolt over anti-censorship stance on neo-Nazis
Fuck substack.
Shit, this article is about stack overflow, not substack. Too early, but still fuck substack.
It's about SO but on SS so you were still right!
"Censorship forced me to flee a pro-nazi site to another pro-nazi site," is a contradiction worth noting. It highlights the general pro-nazi vibe going around big tech.
I hope Luigi sues them, I would donate to that fund.
I had 40k points on SO though I no longer contribute. Stackexchange is basically dead because it's a for-profit with very poor direction and LLMs basically made the entire thing obsolete relative to the monetary growths it needs to be sustainable. Understandably they can't attract any attention like this as they're 🤏 from going under.
I feel a bit sad for stackexchange but they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. I think stackexchange has their days numbered tho so this is realy not all that relevant. Give them a year or two tops
It's sad because Stack Exchange came out because Experts Exchange sucked. And now they also suck.
In the day of AI, will we ever have a new alternative?
perhaps we'll see a resurgence of value added platforms that ensure it's all human generated information. not an easy problem but... if there's demand
How will AI learn without human posted questions and answers. Docs for most software are abysmal. In a few years, people dependent on AI to code will be in real trouble with anything new.
Yeah I doubt it tbh. I loved my time with stackoverflow and it landed me jobs and friends but I'm quite bullish when it comes IT and AI. It's not replacing devs yet but definitely replacing q&a, debugging tools, code reviews etc already/soon.
I hope we'll have some open social coding experience like SO but trends seem to point towards more private stuff like coaching, bookcamps, shitty discord servers etc. as that's the only thing that can be funded sustainably.
Stack Overflow fucking sucks, it's dead.
Just like Brian Thompson yahooooooooo
😄🎉💀
What's the replacement?
The next thing seems to be the discord (or any instant messenger ) channel for the project. That's my wild guess. I don't like it but looks like people are shifting from the web to instant communicators, so the knowledge is not perserved.
Thanks AI
If you're on Lemmy then you're not gonna like the answer... It's ChatGPT.
I am a little tired of the idea that "tech" is something extraordinary. Capitalists in a capitalist society will do all evil to fulfill their goal, t3ch or no tech. You could use the same sentence in everything in this society. Even: "... and how green energy always serves the ruling class."
In this century, there could never be an Anne Frank. Thank social networks.
His name was Robert Paulson. His name was Luigi Mangione.
His name was Luigi Mangione.
Luigi’s contributions to Stack Overflow are the exact opposite of the mindless chant in that scene. Don’t degrade him with comparison to Bob.
Luigi definitely didn't have bitch tits.
Inspector Javert aah behaviour.
Lol @ the "Ross Ulbrecht requested that we keep his username" bullshit.
Oh ok, guys, nevermind. It's not a big deal because the criminal requested that we keep their username...
LM
Dec 09, 2024
The second amendment means I am my own chief executive and commander in chief of my own military. I authorize my own act of self-defense in response to a hostile entity making war on me and my family.
Nelson Mandela says no form of violence can be excused. Camus says it’s all the same, whether you live or die or have a cup of coffee. MLK says violence never brings permanent peace. Gandhi says that non-violence is the mightiest power available to mankind.
That’s who they tell you are heroes. That’s who our revolutionaries are. Yet is that not capitalistic? Non-violence keeps the system working at full speed ahead.
What did it get us. Look in the mirror.
They want us to be non-violent, so that they can grow fat off the blood they take from us.
The only way out is through. Not all of us will make it. Each of us is our own chief executive. You have to decide what you will tolerate.
In Gladiator 1 Maximus cuts into the military tattoo that identifies him as part of the roman legion. His friend asks “Is that the sign of your god?” As Maximus carves deeper into his own flesh, as his own blood drips down his skin, Maximus smiles and nods yes. The tattoo represents the emperor, who is god. The god emperor has made himself part of Maximus’s own flesh. The only way to destroy the emperor is to destroy himself. Maximus smiles through the pain because he knows it is worth it.
These might be my last words. I don’t know when they will come for me. I will resist them at any cost. That’s why I smile through the pain.
They diagnosed my mother with severe neuropathy when she was forty-one years old.
She said it started ten years before that with burning sensations in her feet and occasional sharp stabbing pains. At first the pain would last a few moments, then fade to tingling, then numbness, then fade to nothing a few days later.
The first time the pain came she ignored it. Then it came a couple times a year and she ignored it. Then every couple months. Then a couple times a month. Then a couple times a week. At that point by the time the tingling faded to numbness, the pain would start, and the discomfort was constant.
At that point even going from the couch to the kitchen to make her own lunch became a major endeavor
She started with ibuprofen, until the stomach aches and acid reflux made her switch to acetaminophen. Then the headaches and barely sleeping made her switch back to ibuprofen.
The first doctor said it was psychosomatic. Nothing was wrong. She needed to relax, destress, sleep more.
The second doctor said it was a compressed nerve in her spine. She needed back surgery. It would cost $180,000. Recovery would be six months minimum before walking again. Twelve months for full potential recovery, and she would never lift more than ten pounds of weight again.
The third doctor performed a Nerve Conduction Study, Electromyography, MRI, and blood tests. Each test cost $800 to $1200. She hit the $6000 deductible of her UnitedHealthcare plan in October. Then the doctor went on vacation, and my mother wasn’t able to resume tests until January when her deductible reset.
The tests showed severe neuropathy. The $180,000 surgery would have had no effect.
They prescribed opioids for the pain. At first the pain relief was worth the price of constant mental fog and constipation. She didn’t tell me about that until later. All I remember is we took a trip for the first time in years, when she drove me to Monterey to go to the aquarium. I saw an otter in real life, swimming on its back. We left at 7am and listened to Green Day on the four-hour car ride. Over time, the opioids stopped working. They made her MORE sensitive to pain, and she felt withdrawal symptoms after just two or three hours.
Then gabapentin. By now the pain was so bad she couldn’t exercise, which compounded the weight gain from the slowed metabolic rate and hormonal shifts. And it barely helped the pain, and made her so fatigued she would go an entire day without getting out of bed.
Then Corticosteroids. Which didn’t even work.
The pain was so bad I would hear my mother wake up in the night screaming in pain. I would run into her room, asking if she’s OK. Eventually I stopped getting up. She’d yell out anguished shrieks of wordless pain or the word “fuck” stretched and distended to its limits. I’d turn over and go back to sleep.
All of this while they bled us dry with follow-up appointment after follow-up appointment, specialist consultations, and more imagine scans. Each appointment was promised to be fully covered, until the insurance claims were delayed and denied. Allopathic medicine did nothing to help my mother’s suffering. Yet it is the foundation of our entire society.
My mother told me that on a good day the nerve pain was like her legs were immersed in ice water. On a bad day it felt like her legs were clamped in a machine shop vice, screwed down to where the cranks stopped turning, then crushed further until her ankle bones sprintered and cracked to accommodate the tightening clamp. She had more bad days than good.
My mother crawled to the bathroom on her hands and knees. I slept in the living room to create more distance from her cries in the night. I still woke up, and still went back to sleep.
Back then I thought there was nothing I could do.
The high copays made consistent treatment impossible. New treatments were denied as “not medically necessary.” Old treatments didn’t work, and still put us out for thousands of dollars.
UnitedHealthcare limited specialist consultations to twice a year.
Then they refused to cover advanced imaging, which the specialists required for an appointment.
Prior authorizations took weeks, then months.
UnitedHealthcare constantly changed their claim filing procedure. They said my mother’s doctor needed to fax his notes. Then UnitedHealthcare said they did not save faxed patient correspondence, and required a hardcopy of the doctor’s typed notes to be mailed. Then they said they never received the notes. They were unable to approve the claim until they had received and filed the notes.
They promised coverage, and broke their word to my mother.
With every delay, my anger surged. With every denial, I wanted to throw the doctor through the glass wall of their hospital waiting room.
But it wasn’t them. It wasn’t the doctors, the receptionists, administrators, pharmacists, imaging technicians, or anyone we ever met. It was UnitedHealthcare.
People are dying. Evil has become institutionalized. Corporations make billions of dollars off the pain, suffering, death, and anguished cries in the night of millions of Americans.
We entered into an agreement for healthcare with a legally binding contract that promised care commensurate with our insurance payments and medical needs. Then UnitedHealthcare changes the rules to suit their own profits. They think they make the rules, and think that because it’s legal that no one can punish them.
They think there’s no one out there who will stop them.
Now my own chronic back pain wakes me in the night, screaming in pain. I sought out another type of healing that showed me the real antidote to what ails us.
I bide my time, saving the last of my strength to strike my final blows. All extractors must be forced to swallow the bitter pain they deal out to millions.
As our own chief executives, it’s our obligation to make our own lives better. First and foremost, we must seek to improve our own circumstances and defend ourselves. As we do so, our actions have ripple effects that can improve the lives of others.
Rules exist between two individuals, in a network that covers the entire earth. Some of these rules are written down. Some of these rules emerge from natural respect between two individuals. Some of these rules are defined in physical laws, like the properties of gravity, magnetism or the potential energy stored in the chemical bonds of potassium nitrate.
No single document better encapsulates the belief that all people are equal in fundamental worth and moral status and the frameworks for fostering collective well-being than the US constitution.
Writing a rule down makes it into a law. I don’t give a fuck about the law. Law means nothing. What does matter is following the guidance of our own logic and what we learn from those before us to maximize our own well-being, which will then maximize the well-being of our loved ones and community.
That’s where UnitedHealthcare went wrong. They violated their contract with my mother, with me, and tens of millions of other Americans. This threat to my own health, my family’s health, and the health of our country’s people requires me to respond with an act of war.
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Edit: Paragraph spacing may not be original from the Subtack post.
From what I understand, that's not the real manifesto. That's supposedly a fake one that was circulated shortly after his real "manifesto" was posted by Ken Klippenstein, and which has supposedly been confirmed by law enforcement: https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto
That is the one he had on his person when he was arrested. The Stack Overflow one is not so much a manifesto as a testament, a recounting of his experience. And an understandable motivation for his actions.
I was aware claims have been made against it. But there is so much conflicting information, that I will leave it up.
Last time I read this from Klippenstein it was from someone disregarding another "manifesto" that had been circulating around. So much confusion to be had.
Interesting, I haven't seen that much conflicting information about them. All the confirmation I've seen has been for the version that Klippenstein had published, including for the reason that certain phrases in it matched some descriptions from the media before it had been published.
Jesus Christ! Did your mother not introduce you to paragraphs!?
This great wall of text is comparable in size to the great wall of China
you understand that's the manifesto of luigi right?
No I am at work and just wanted to copy and paste this to get out before I forgot... I will add in paragraphs in like 7 hours if I remember
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Done... to the best of my ability
I'm Spartacus!
thanks for this revelation. I'm going to look down the rabbit hole for myself. what a story if his account is true.
Here's a fun fact I just recently came across. In the medieval times when the church wanted to remove a heretic, someone who was speaking out in opposition to church doctrine, they would burn those people at the stake. The reason they would do this was not because this was a common practice to burn people at the stake but in order to prevent relics of the heretics from being collected and giving their followers something to rally around.
I think Luigi's Stack Overflow history is a relic of *his* existence and something people could rally around and the powerful don't want that to exist.
i have no love for brian thompson or ceos but the canonisation of a well off wealthy rich kid from a family of republicans is a bit disturbing.
He's closer to you in class and status than Brian Thompson ever was. How fine a comb do you want to use to divide us? Where's the line?
what does this have to do with dividing us? i mean they're both not close to me. they're both wealthy people from well off families. i think instead of donating a bunch of money to him, people should start donating to people facing vast sums of medical debt.
You would be hard pressed to spend your money better than Luigi in regards to reducing medical debt. Anthem got scared and walked back rationing anesthesia during surgeries.
Instead of people paying for ridiculous amount of medical debt due to inflated amount of medical bill due insurance companies. Govt can pay for their own people medical coverage who are paying tax for them to run the govt.
sure but that's not likely to happen with republicans in government.
If i have to say both are similar. They work for the ultra rich. They both don't care about common people, you and I both. That's why Luigi mangione did what he had to do. Making the rich know their place. Whether he is rich or not doesn't matter. We needed to send the message across.
this who you're defending when you attack Luigi's character.
just making sure you're getting the whole picture in view for everyone to see.
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/slain-healthcare-ceos-life-airbrushed
you got me; because i don't like swooning over rich privileged people i'm defending ceos... /rolleyes
I'm going to guess that you don't understand *exactly* what you're doing. So let me put it into a different context.
During the last major civil rights movement, the black community coined term "black lives matter". To combat and drown out that message, conservatives created their own message, "all lives matter". It was effective in the sense that it drummed up rage against conservative so much that the message of "Black Lives Matter" lost its volume and couldn't be heard.
What you're effectively doing, is pulling an "all lives matter". you're (unwilling or not) muddying the message that the elite and rich are abusing the system to take advantage of the people.
The mechanics of this message you're supporting attempt to draw more attention to Luigi's socioeconomic background over the actions he took. The actions he took being, the assassination of a CEO who has killed thousands, if not more, of American citizens based on the executive actions he took to increase profits over human life. Not only that, but he also supported unfair and inhumane treatment towards patients.
Fortunately, the message you're unwittingly spreading is weaker than the real message behind the actions that Luigi took.
BTW, because I'll probably get banned for posting his message here, I'll share the article that has it. just in case you're confused about why he did what he did.
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto
Very well said, I hope you don't catch a ban for this comment.
comparing luigi to the civil rights movement and black civil rights leaders is wild........ and grossly offensive.
people being offended by comparisons is something that puzzles me every time i see it.
One common trait between two things is enough to make an analogy. The differences between the objects being compared doesnt hinder the argument as it is based on the similarities alone.
The fact that OP took time to explain everything to you, and you choose to focus on such nonsense instead of seeing the whole picture presented to you shows you have no intention of learning or growing.
He's a good example of one can be a class traitor in a good way!
Why not idolize the folks crossing over to the right side of history?