How China Is Advancing in AI Despite U.S. Chip Restrictions

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cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/52093489

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Surprised imperialists hone in on new frontiers to subjugate?

 
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Deepseek trained their v3 model for $6M. That's the AI equivalent of building it in a cave with a pile of scraps. There's no longer any reasonable way to stop China from developing frontier models.

 
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I noticed that the article said that open source models were about a year behind the top closed source models. And personally, I would use the open source models anyway, because I am an open source maxi. If I can use open source to get a job done, I will use open source. No questions asked.

 
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this article that is © 2024 TIME USA, LLC, says :

“They're (Chinese) clearly getting much better use out of the hardware because of better software,” says Ritwik Gupta, the author of the research, who also advises the Department of Defense’s Defense Innovation Unit.

Down voting reality doesn't make it go away.

 
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Never let the capitalists convince you they're in favor of *competition.*

 
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Basically the only thing good about capitalism is competition, however, it's not its goal.

 
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Not despite... Because of and accelerated by

 
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i wonder what the ai related industries will look like once china's mineral sanctions start to hit chip makers of all type.

 
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They'll just mine it elsewhere, we've been down this road before.

 
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They are moving into Africa like they think they are Old Europe.

 
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yes; but it's decades away until the mines are productive, but the success of semiconductor companies are measured in quarters and the united states has no such reserves to draw upon ti fill in the gap between the two.

 
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The last time this happened, it took time to get those mines set up and operating. When it slowed down, they mothballed the mines, but they're still there. It won't take nearly as long to re-open them.

 
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when did it happen last time?

 
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Which... is "funny" because even though it is a genuine arm race where 2 powerful nations are competing... it's a pointless one.

Sure, we do get slightly better STT, TTS, some "generation" of "stuff", as in human sounding text use for spam and scam, images and now videos without attribution, but the actual hard stuff? Not a lot of real change there.

Anyway, interesting to see how the chips war unfold. For now despite the grand claim though from both :

  • US with software and models for AI (Claude, OpenAI, etc driven by VC backed funding looking for THE next big thing, which does NOT materialize) ) and hardware, mostly NVIDIA (so happy to sell shovels for the current gold rush) or
  • China with "cheap" to train large models (DeepSeek) and hardware (SMIC, RISC based chips) to "catch-up" without any large production batch with any comparable yield

neither have produced anything genuinely positive IMHO.

 
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China doesn't need the USA.

The USA needs China.

 
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Personally, I'd rather more countries stop fucking around with LLMs generally, thanks!

This is honestly such a stupid goddamn thing to compete over. Maybe I should be thankful in that regard, then, since it keeps the U.S. and China's ridiculous dick-swinging contest more focused on areas that don't actually matter, rather than weapons development programs that are eager to ruin our rights and our lives all the more.

 
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actually LLMs seem used in the planning modules of Anduril

 
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Doesn't really counter anything I said in my comment, so I stand with what I said. I won't complain if war profiteers want to self-sabotage.

 
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