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At least two years late, but good for them anyway, I guess.
Meanwhile, cybertruck owners are doubling down on their wankpanzer purchase.
Cyber truck owners seem like the same people that previously were making fun of EVs.
While I appreciate the gender neutrality, it made me wonder: are there any women who voluntarily own a cyber truck? Every douchebag I see in or posing with one is a guy.
Emphasis by me.
That's a weird question, because obviously there are some, probably about 12% according to stats:
https://motorandwheels.com/pickup-truck-demographics-segments/
12% of pickup truck owners being women absolutely does not mean 12% of cyber truck owners are women, that’s truck ownership by women among all brands.
I’m saying I think one brand and one specific truck model probably is doing even worse among women than trucks in general.
You wrote *any* to which the obvious answer is yes. And it's not so hard to find evidence:
https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/celebrities-who-bought-a-tesla-cybertruck/
There's not many women who own trucks in general, cyber or otherwise.
I'm going to need some data for that one before I believe it. In the US, I have known many women who own trucks. I have lived in rural and urban areas and both had plenty of women who owned and drove trucks, including semi cabs. I could believe less by comparison but not "not many" without some data.
Obviously it's relative compared to men.
Indirectly implied, women have a generally better safety record than men, and Trucks have the worst safety record. So there might be a trend that fewer women than men drive trucks for safety reasons.
In my experience women generally prefer smaller cars, which also would mean that trucks are not generally preferred by women.
Also when you look at professional cargo truck drivers, there's an overwhelming majority of men.
Trucks and pickup trucks are used for things that are bulky and heavy, women generally don't do as much physical heavy lifting as men.
All these facts, put together with personal experience, that indeed more men than women drive trucks, fit together, and I see absolutely no evidence against it.
You can very quickly make your own survey. Go to Youtube and search cybertruck or just truck, and see how many men and women post either.
Edit:
I just did the youtube search myself, and I had to scroll past 20 videos before the first featuring a woman turned up, something about the 70's being great?!
Edit 2:
https://motorandwheels.com/pickup-truck-demographics-segments/
Just an anecdotal observation. A very small amount of trucks I see have women driving them. Could be lots of reasons for that but the simplest seems to be that women don't buy them near as often. I don't feel like an offhand remark needs a citation, though you're welcome to look it up if you find the subject interesting enough to warrant further research.
There are plenty of Ag women around me driving trucks. And if we're including SUVs, which the cybertruck is more similar to then any real truck, that number goes way up. Especially among mothers, toxic maternity pushes SUV sales. "I just don't seem safe picking up little Timmy in anything other then a 3 ton tank."
Obviously, since an SUV is considered a great family car.
https://motorandwheels.com/pickup-truck-demographics-segments/
They seem like the same asshats who would block EV's in at the chargers or take EV parking spots at malls/stores with their overcompensating trucks
*adds 'wankpanzer' to lexicon*
You might like Incelcamino too, I shamelessly stole it from someone else here.
I cant stop laughing when I see a Cybertruck. This is the ultimate insecurity toy and the ugliest car ever made.
I finally saw one in person and I was a little ashamed to live near someone who made that kind of choice.
I've seen at least 8 so far.
Cracks me up every time.
When they were first released I saw them being driven everywhere. Now they've disappeared.
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The fact that it is taking this long still shocks me.
I've been seeing more and more of those stickers around the last couple of years. I think this is just the media catching up
be happy it's happening
They now know him for the liar that he is.
Well actually they don't, they've been surpassed by BYD.
Expect like 200% tariffs on those going to the US
Yes AFAIK BYD is not available in USA, they are in most of the rest of the world though.
And the Musk shame is not isolated to USA either.
AFAIK BYD is working on a factory in Mexico, so maybe USA will get them from there in the future?
I love the fact that Chinese companies are outsourcing production to America, now.
Volvo and Polestar are made in Sweden and owned by the Chinese today. Both are pretty popular in EU.
I have a beater 97 Corolla. Don't care about stuff hitting it one bit. I wanna get some kind of funny sticker that's like "at least it's not a Tesla" or something like that
Get a sticker “My other car is a piece of shit too.”
Ooh, maybe this means cheaper used Teslas.
…but then you’d have to drive a Tesla. Shit.
Are there hacking projects around them? It might be worth it if there are.
There are already people pulling the EV transaxles out of wreaks and putting them in better cars with custom controllers.
Aside from the musk debacle, it's fun to think about a brand new generation of car enthusiasts hacking and customizing EVs similar to all the current "car guys" are with ICs. I hope it takes off.
I've been following Edison Motors and you can buy the EV transaxle from the electric Mustang as a crate engine from Ford with. Edison hasn't announced being able to buy individual parts, but they support Right to Repair, so once the kits start rolling out, parts should be as well. They're a startup and are smartly advertising only a few options to keep the new supply chain simple.
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I have definitely been considering buying used so that I don't support Elon. That's the most important thing to me.
I did exactly that. There are ways to even pull your car off the cell network so they can't actively harvest your driving data
Nice thought but unfortunately it still supports new tesla sales by propping up the secondary market.
That's assuming someone is selling their old Tesla to buy a new Tesla. Hopefully they won't. I own one and I wouldn't buy one again.
We're going to turn in our death trap next year and get something from an actual car company
If you're looking for a similar class EV, I just got the mach-e and I love it.
if Musk ever made the affordable car he's been promising since day 1 I'd be one of these people
He doesn’t deliver on his promises. He didn’t for the people who paid him large amounts for a car, he certainly won’t for the budget minded folk
He already (publicly at least) lost his mind by the time the cyber truck came out but that was the correct direction for a cheap vehicle
Fuck Musk, but the model 3 launched at like $35k and was eligible for a sizeable rebate. If you were already looking to buy a similar sized new car in 2019, it was relatively competitive. I don't remember what the rebate amount was, but I'm sure it took at least $5k off.
The issue is that instead of continuing that trend of basically replacing the Honda Civic, he built a fugly, terrible, overpriced truck whose existence could only ever be excused by its concept being a make-a-wish request from a now-dead six year old. Alas, there are no dead six year olds to blame for that monstrosity. We should've had a reliable and affordable EV accessible to nearly every working family in the country. We should've had a whole damn fleet of EV freight trucks, possibly with some autonomous driving, at least across long interstate roads where they would just need to keep pace, stay in lane, and not crash. Instead we got a newer, dumber, more dangerous Hummer.
Again, fuck Musk. He could've been okay, but he chose to be awful instead.
Brutal but accurate
I believe he was always awful he was just bad at showing it, the balding man child with no public speaking skills was kinda relateable.
Unfortunately his core audience didn't get the hairplugs and cocaine nose jobs required to keep him relateable.
Yeah, you're probably right. I never thought "good" was on the table for him, but if he had used his wealth to get enough good things done for everybody, I could've overlooked a few things and thought of him as "okay".
You mean he was good at hiding it.
I honestly don't think he ever tried to hide it, just ask his employees from the time.
He was simply terribly awkward in public and people mistook him for a normal guy.
*May* impact sales...
Let's face it, people seem to be able to tolerate a lot of shit before they ever actually start showing how they feel with their wallets.
IDK about new car figures, but I'm in the market for another EV. I found a Tesla model 3 long range awd that had done about 150k km, and a Renault Zoe with 15k km and 2/3 the range. The Renault is slightly cheaper, but it's Musk being a loose canon that's the reason why I'm going with the Zoe instead. Sure it's a nicer car, if it works, but the fear that Musk get's high and disables non-essential stuff is too real.
So in my case Musk has directly affected my used car choice.
Does the Zoe have conventional door handles? Cause the functional design of Tesla's leaves a lit to be desired anyway.
AFAIK yes, at least I didn't notice anything strange, and I believe the one I looked at in the comparison (at a dealership) even had a proper keyhole in the driver door.
Oh I don't know, the Budweiser stock hit endured pretty lengthy after being advertised by a non-redneck.
WalletsvotesElon has became more embarrassing for sure.
Not one penny will I willingly give to this monster.
*BYD has entered the chat.*
The US will just slap enough tariffs to make them roughly the same price as the competition.
No need. You can't even legally import them.
As your Canadian buddy, do you want a hookup? We'll meet on the border of Alberta and Montana under the moonlight where the moose crows.
A terrifying hybrid species that weigh a thousand pounds, can fly, and remember the faces of those who have wronged them.
Here you go
lmao Canadians cant import BYD either. Check out the stupid rules for importing cars we have... Gonna have to wait 15 years for those imports.
Yeah - but I bet a few Canada Goose jackets to the right guy will get me a waiver.
I'm afraid you're gonna have to be more specific.
Not if we slap tariffs on Canada…
Enjoy that Aunt Jemima with your pancakes, buddy.
I'm not saying no. What can we bring for the trade? I'm not really sure what Canada needs from the US at this point, but we're willing to be flexible.
As is the way of the "free market". Us automakers aren't even trying to compete, half their EVS are massive SUVs/trucks instead of smaller, lighter, more effecient designs.
What about the rest of the industry in the US? I don't know why people focus on the two remaining US ICE manufacturers and ignore the dozens of other foreign manufacturers that sell vehicles here when discussing Chinese EVs.
They are very much competing.You're just confused about what they're competing in. It's profit, not size of vehicle, or efficiency or what have you. The F-150 is still the top selling vehicle in North America. Turns out small vehicles make less profit so they stopped making them and inflated the size of all remaining models.
Which is defintely a great strategy to reduce transportation emissions. And clearly everyone NEEDS a truck.
Car companies sell what customers *want*, not what they need.
Hoping Aptera takes off tbh
Which is exactly the same pattern they repeated in the 70s. Which is when Japan ate their lunch.
This time though is a little different, with China's vastly lower worker costs, and possible government subsidization in an attempt to corner the world auto market. I can understand and agree with the 100% tariff.
I'd be fine with the tarrif if there was a manufacturer actually trying to compete. Instead it feels like "nooo we can't have byds cars here, americans need the electric F250 supercab!!!"
I'd also be fine with the tarrif if there was going to be massive investments in public transit which could reduce the need to own a car and transit tends to be more effecient than even the best EVs and is more fair to more people.
What about all the Japanese, Korean, and European brands selling cars here? Is there another market outside of China, where everything is sold well below cost after being built using slave labor and lax environmental regulations, where new cars are as cheap as you want them to be? I think they are competing but the cars are just expensive to build. China is hiding that expense from buyers just long enough for them to try to take over every local market at which time there will be no reason to keep them subsidized because all the competition will be gone.
I think it's a complicated situation but the legitimate reason for the tariffs (not just Musk shoveling money into Tesla) is that battery production is a strategic interest for drones and other military equipment.
I think it's logical we should make sure the US battery industry is able to develop.
Ever heard of dumping? Because that's exactly how you fight it.
2018 he called a diver that saved kids a pedo. Anyone who bought a Tesla after that can get fucked.
A year after Tesla was started, he invested into it with shitloads of money.
Then he sued Tesla for the “right” to be called a “founder”.
Worlds most whiny kickstarter supporter
You say that but it's a pretty recent development that there was any significant alternatives to Tesla in the American EV space. Even now that is one of the only options for buying used at a reasonable price. That is finally starting to change but for a lot of people between 2018 and now the choice was between buying another ICE vehicle or a Tesla. I don't blame people for overlooking some of Elon's faults in order to help address climate change, especially since the really crazy side of him wasn't widely publicized until two-ish years ago.
I would say it started around the pandemic, about 4 years ago
*brainstorms a hellscape situation where a Tesla is regulated into your ownership and every American is forcibly taxed to pay for it*
"THANKS FOR THE FREE CAR BASED ELON"
~ Conservatives
You better keep an eye on that goddamn phone, buddy, I'm calling it next year.
I myself use a bicycle for local travel, and public transit for longer commutes. Musk's overpriced EVs are not the solution to global warming, IMO.
EVs were not made to save the environment. They were made to save the auto industry.
It is a bit more complex than that. EVs are the necessary replacement for use cases where a car is needed. It is far from reality to think, that we are able to life in a world without cars. There are use cases where a car is absolutely required and here EVs are better than gasoline powered ones. However, a lot of people don't really need one. Especially in the bigger cities it is very easy to live without a car(its also sometimes much faster because when driving in the city you are standing/crawling forwards most of the time)
And the majority of that is the auto industry's fault.
To be honest, it was almost like they tried to prove EV wasn't feasible, making ridiculously laughable small cars that could only go 60 km/h, and had even worse range. Then they claimed it should be hydrogen, which for a decade went absolutely nowhere. That was until Tesla proved a functional attractive EV was indeed possible.
I hate Elon Musk, but Tesla was a huge leap forward for fully battery electric cars.
Good thing that Tesla was doing this thing before Musk came along. All Musk did was buy it.
Absolutely, Musk didn't create the concept or invent anything, he just bought the right thing at the right time. And had some very skillful people working for him. Something only possible if you already have money. Still Tesla struggled early on financially, and he did mange to help Tesla through to success. I don't think he was as crazy back then as he is now.
Tesla didn't even do anything new. They put the right product to market at the right time.
This is not true, Tesla did a lot of things that were new. They used Lithium batteries, made an electric car that was fast sporty and had long range, instead of the typical "city" electrics. And they built a charging network.
To say the Tesla wasn't new, is like saying iPhone wasn't new, because smartphones already existed.
Funny you should mention iPhone, because it was the same thing. Yes the whole package didn't exist in that form, but all the parts were already in use. They both got lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time.
Lithium batteries hadn't been used before because the technology had just reached the point where they were viable for use in a vehicle. Electric motor technology had also just reached the price to performance to size necessary to make a sporty vehicle. The original Tesla was unique for it's time, but not because of some genius design. They were just lucky enough to be doing it at a time when others tech was reaching the punt that made it possible.
Former owner here. Such a relief to be rid of it. Never again as long as Musk remains at Tesla.
Out of curiosity. What are you driving now?
Rivian
Moneybags.
I bought it used, so it was way more affordable than you might think.
Ya flush with da bux?
I want "I got this before Elon went crazy"
But I drive a Civic
I want "I still did, tho" on the other side
🤣
Can confirm. Am one. Bought in 2018
You need one of these: https://www.amazon.com/Tesla-Bumper-Sticker-Bought-Accessories/dp/B0C4KHKN4S
Please reach out to my brother in law with this
I actually have the one that's a red F and after that ELON.
I love that it says felon but also fuck Elon.
I think it would be funny to put that on my non-electric Kia Soul lol
So sell it? Plenty of musk fanboys will buy and selling used will reduce his income. Unless there are some non-transferable nonsenses that discourage private transfer?
I'm in the market for a used EV - I won't touch a Tesla (not just because of Musk, but he's a part of it).
🤷♂️
I prefer to cut off Teslas because nobody is letting me in anyways, and they've got automatic safety braking. Yes, my signal is on.
I cut off a Tesla once that cut me off first. Asshole was livid, but deserved it. Didn’t think about the safety braking, but that’s a good point, does the Tesla even let them move if someone is cutting them off or do they just have to sit there and let it happen?
The collision avoidance can’t be that good though, because some elderly man in a Tesla backed in to me once.
i don't give a shit. not driving
*lol, not looking!*
Gonna stop you right there.
I would be embarrassed. I crossed t-la off my list when I started looking for an EV last year. Bought an i5 instead, and a t-la adapter in case I ever needed it. When I tried to use that adapter at a t-La super charger I was locked out. It looked like it might be necessary to give $ to melon husk, but they refused to give me e-, so it was no deal. And I found a free outlet elsewhere. Melon Husk, so compostable.
Yeah, paid my non-refundable deposit (grr), saw him buy Twitter, got out of there, bought a Volvo. Nicer hardware, actually preferable highway self driving for me, infotainment does take several minutes to boot. Very glad not to be trusting Musk's word for my safety/privacy.
Never let a Tesla merge.
Please don't put people's life at risk for that.
Why do I have to move? He's the one that sucks.
I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not, so I'll assume you are not. Sorry if I'm wrong.
Don't decide how to steer a car based on emotions. You have a 0,8t to 2,5t vehicle travelling at around 100km/h. The energy in this is immense and the human driving it cannot make informed decisions in time, only reactions. And reactions are way more likely to kill or injure people, so please don't taunt reactions on people if you don't have to.
Don't drive spiteful, don't drive nice. Instead follow the rules and drive predictably.
I think they're just ethically against Tesla cyborgs. I hope...
We need to popularize videos of people destroying their teslas and driving away in a better car.
Imagine paying for a car, then destroying it to "own" the owner of the company making them LMAO 🤣
Well I am talking about the people who bought them before he signed on with trump and stuff. Most of them can afford it anyway.
Just like MAGAs buying and pouring out Bud Light.