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Alas, it seems there are no winners anymore. Just sides. I don't suspect this will end well for Iran in the long term.
I dont think it will end well for Israel either tbh.
I'm on the side that doesn't kill anyone.
I don't think there is one of those in this conflict.
Exactly my point.
Too controversial for reddit lol
But who do you blame?
The people that kill other people. They shouldn't do that.
Where did you learn this galaxy-brained level state craft?
Here, of course.
Would you have either side capitulate? Would you come to the aid of a side that was attacked? When would you begin intervening?
Why don't you just make your point? I made mine and it's killing is wrong.
I'm scared for all the citizens involved in this. I really hope this will end soon, but I don't think it will...
Good job Israel, you've really managed to piss off everyone in the region.
I mean... that happened in the late 40s but especially peaked in the 60s.
...so far.
Just another excuse for Isreal to bomb kids
The people downvoting you are on the other side of the issue. The side that kills people too.
Lol haven't had to do this on lemmy before but this belongs in r/im14andthisisdeep or whatever the fuck that subreddit name was.
It's not deep at all. It's true. Both sides of this conflict suck ass. That area needs to fucking get it together and the US needs to stop involving themselves.
In fairness that happened in 1948 and hasn't really let up since.
@catloaf@lemm.ee Yeah, because before 7th of October IRGC and Israel had perfect relationship
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We have till January next year before a full scale war in the middle east. Till then Israel will continue with genocide and it's belligerence. And other countries will keep on posing.
It won't be war. It will be a series of small scale incursions. The word 'war' is bad for business.
Not for the millitary industrial complex. It will just b another proxy war like the one in Ukraine.
As is shown by history, USA will not send troops to there is an attack on its soil. Though it will support both the sides if possible.
Desert Storm, Korea, Vietnam all seem to disagree with what I understand that second point to be. US will send troops if it is politically expedient.
Desert Storm was instigqted by the probability of having costlier oil if the war spreads to other oil producing countries. Plus it did hurt US by having oil rations and costly oil.
Having said that I would agree that Korea and Vietnam war was more due to cold war and not due to attack on US soil.
Ukraine is no proxy war, those are Russian troops. Iran is pulling a proxy war using Lebanon and the various funded groups who carry out attacks on Israel. Iran grabbed that one from ol' uncle sams playbook.
Ukraine is a proxy for America and Europe in the fight against Russia. And both of them are not for ending the war quickly. There is much more they can do.
Am I the only one who thinks of this as a political play between Israel and Iran?
When Israel hits a target, I don't hear about it till I see the damages and the casualties.
When Iran tries to hit a target, I hear about it several hours when it's in the air and it still did not hit anything, and the next day I hear that every country around Israel had shot some of the missiles fired, and Israel themselves shot down the rest.
It feels like Iran just wants to demonstrate that they have the expertise to shoot missiles, without actually shooting anything that can cause a real damage.
If they have fired hundreds of missiles, it's clearly an attempt to overwhelm Israeli air defense.
Of course assuming the reporting we receive is true.
According to this article:
(They reference IDF, so they might be wrong, but assuming they are correct)
Iran shot 180 missiles, and Israel intercepted most of them.
I don't think this attack was significant in any means.
180 missiles is A LOT. It takes a very strong air defense to resist that.
It's bigger than the biggest Russian missile attack on Ukraine! Where an attack by Russia with 158 missiles and drones combined caused 31 dead:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-launches-massive-air-attack-ukraine-least-10-dead-kyiv-2023-12-29/
31 dead and drones are way easier to shoot down than missiles.
This looks to me like a very serious attempt by Iran to penetrate Israeli air defenses.
A successful attempt, too. There's videos of multiple missiles making it through, though fortunately they seem mostly to have landed in large outdoor spaces.
I don't know if we know if the missiles were proper guided missiles, or just dumb MLRS-style unguided rockets. I'd imagine it's both, but that's the important factor in if Iran was just flexing their capability while minimizing damage, or if this was a serious attack.
Wait, you mean you don't telegraph your "surprise attack" a day in advance to everyone?
"A Palestinian worker from Gaza was reportedly killed as a result of fragments of rockets that fell in the city of Jericho in the West Bank"
Calling this a genocidal propaganda rag would be an insult to rags
Just for you - https://www.irishtimes.com/world/middle-east/2024/10/01/israel-and-us-promise-sharp-response-to-iranian-missile-attack/
Good.
Can you even imagine the bloodshed if nobody in the region could hit them back?