Parents of Lemmy, would you have your kids keep the bedroom door open when the gender they were attracted to comes over?
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Growing up, I was always told that boys could come over if I leave the bedroom door open, and I see a lot with my friends that the girls would not be allowed to have boys over/in the bedroom/have the bedroom door closed or viceversa (boys with girls).
When I realized I may be gay and trans (masc), my parents were accepting and allowed me to have the door closed with girls because I was gay and still not with boys.
Then, I had a boyfriend and they said I could keep the door closed with anyone except my boyfriend.
Now, I'm nonbinary and bisexual. Would you allow your kids to close the door?
No, I would simply give them a box of condoms or whatever.
If they're gonna do it, they're gonna do it, and as a parent, you're way better off with your kids comfortable not hiding it because if there's complications you can intervene quickly. If the condom broke, you want the kid to come to you so you can get plan B and not have to deal with an abortion a couple weeks or even months later. It's also way better they get caught doing it at home vs in a car and now be on the sex offender registry.
What you're describing is abstinance and is common in religious families, and well know for being ineffective. Plus as you've described, it completely falls apart when bisexuality is involved, and it makes even less sense if it's physically impossible to even get pregnant.
The same extends to alcohol, drugs, porn, whatever evil vice people are worried. If your kid's gonna do drugs, you want them to feel comfortable calling you if they have a bad trip, and also feel comfortable giving you the drugs so you can get them to the hospital and they can quickly identify what you're on and give the necessary medications.
They're gonna learn about all that eventually, better they learn it from you. Punishment and "you'll understand when you're grown up" doesn't work. If they're old enough to ask, they're old enough for the answers too.
It's not exactly relevant to the original question, but is to your response ... My mom always told me "don't do drugs, but if you do, do them with me so I can make sure you're doing them right."
Was that her policy on sex too?
Edit: a lot of people without a sense of humor in this thread.
No, but she did once tell me about a woman's perspective on losing virginity, then laugh and say "now the first time you have sex you'll think about what I said!"
I didn't, though.
Needed that "/s" perhaps 👀
It depends if she hot or not...
I housed a teen for a while and my rules were anything had to be safe and with positive consent. I knew banning sex under my roof was a fools errand.
I also gave permission to use me as "the bad guy". That if they ever were unsure and wanted an excuse, they could say, "ugh, Vanth makes me keep the door open. Lame adult, amiright?" They used that at least once that I know of.
They're an awesome adult now who is far better at having healthy relationships than I was at that age.
Great job!
That latter part is genius. I'ma take note
depends on the age obviously..but I wouldn't care. wear protection and be open about things.
I mean - let’s try and keep the noise down a bit.
Not only, be involved and actually teach them what sex is and how to do it properly
If my kid grows up to be half as good looking as his mother and half as lucky as his father, it's already going to be a perfect storm. The forces at play would far exceed the power of any door.
That seems ridiculous. If my kid wants to have sex they'd just find another way to do it outside of their house.
Lmao. "Parents of lemmy..."
Responses: if i ever have kids...
no?! I dont wanna see them have sex wtaf
Gen X here. My mother (boomer, hippie) would have friends over and they'd smoke, they'd send the friend's kid up to my room, upstairs and around the corner. Didn't matter if the door was open or closed, they were in the makeshift den (converted garage) stoned outta their gourds. I had a few girls up, and I remember one flashing me and being nervous about it. Looking back I think she was giving me a hint, somewhere between "I wanna see yours" and "come get this." But I was a dumb teenage boy and I think I just played on the Nintendo or the computer (had both in my bedroom). But yeah, had a few girls up there, and it didn't matter if we had the door open or closed, if we wanted to hook up, our parents wouldn't have known (except my bedroom was directly above the garage, though my mother would also play her records, so maybe they wouldn't have heard thumping).
Straight guy, but again, I wasn't really interested in hooking up in those days. And when I say "friend's kid" I mean boys or girls, as young as 5 or 6 and as old as 16 or 17. I was 13-15 when I lived there. If it was a little kid, I was designated the babysitter and would entertain the kid. I was pretty good at it. Only one or twice was it a girl my age. About half the time it was a boy, and about 3/4 of the time they were way too young — not that I was really into girls, or enough to try to make a move even if they were the right age. They were all, as the guy says in Fight Club about airplane neighbors, "disposable friends." Or was it "single-use"? So I never made a move on the girls my age; whether they were attractive to me or not, we just played Nintendo or computer games or looked at comic books or something.
Ah yes, an open door, the ultimate and unbreakable curse that forbids a teenager for having sex no matter what.
The best thing a parent can do when their kids become sexually active is to buy them condoms. Many unsecure sex at that age is done out of pure embarrassment over going to a place to buy them or having their parents know what they are doing. They are going to have sex regardless, at least do your best so it is safe sex.
Why bother? It never stopped me or anyone I knew from a little hanky panky.
I have a feeling this is something very American. I've never heard of or experienced this kind of bullshit in Germany. It's completely normal to start having sex. Just make sure that there are condoms and let the teens be teens.
depends what they were doing in there
It's an old house, so usually we keep the doors open for ventilation.
If they were making out, I don't wanna see that, close the door.
While I'm not a parent, I know a married couple who told me about giving their teen kids "the talk", which was about STD protection and an edict to use rubbers.
But, I think you're asking us to weigh in about your own parents' choices, and it's not our place to do that. They get to decide their own comfort zone. It sounds like they are reasonably enlightened and that's the best you can hope for. It also might be that they don't want you disengaging too much from the rest of the household when you're at home, as opposed to trying to be controlling about your sex life.
That’s a really good question.
My first two trains of thought would be 1) door open, or 2) no going to your room to be alone with the person you’re attracted to. But at the same time, I remember that it’s going to happen, regardless of what I do or say, and my first concern is that they are safe.
So really, I don’t know what I’d do, and I’m not looking forward to finding out in the foreseeable future (I have a tween now, so my days are numbered).
that could have ended very differently when you started with "my first two trains..."
You asked it two different ways, in the title you asked if they'd need to keep the door open (my answer is 'no'), but in the body text, you asked if I would allow them to close the door (my answer is 'yes').
But, I grew up in the 70s, so people weren't so uptight then, at least the parents I dealt with weren't. So, I didn't have any rules for my son, and, had I had a daughter, I wouldn't have had any rules for her.
In fact, I'd be happier if they were at home, they'd be safe at home.
You haven’t brought age and maturity into this discussion and it’s a big piece of info on scaling the answer. 14 no. 17 possibly.
Secondly there is the other minor to consider. As a parent it is my job to ensure the visiting minor is safe and comfortable so even if my child wants the door closed and I trust them it could still be a no.
There are so many variables here. It’s never a simple yes I would or no I wouldn’t. It’s a parents job to read the room in the literal sense here. You are a parent first before you are a friend and sometimes that goes against a child’s wants in the moment.
Kids today have joysticks and xbox. Back in my day, we just had stick and box. We were definitely banging at 14.
I see it as 'This is our house but lovemaking needs to happen elsewhere. The child moves out at 18 and does whatever they want.' Of course, the child prior to 18 needs to understand consent and the use of contraception.
I wont cast a judgement one way or another on how to approach this, but just know that it is an incredibly common rule. Every girlfriend I had growing up had this same rule, or even more strict. For one I wasn't allowed in her bedroom at all when I came over.
It sounds like your parents are perfectly including your identity in their decision. I know from experience that the rule sucks, especially when you aren't even planning to do anything and just want to hang out in a comfortable space. But it is common, and quite reasonable considering how other parents might approach it.
From what you’ve described it seems their main concern was you not getting pregnant.
As to whether it was the best strategy, depends on their beliefs and what other options you and your boyfriend had.
Define kids.
I would want the door open for any gender my kid was attracted to unless I knew kids with the other kid are impossible.
Not a parent and I've honestly no idea what I'd do if the occasion arises.
I'd like to raise a family, but I'm also not sure how it would come to be. I haven't quite understood the urge to have sex, at least not in the way many people seem to. Always had the door open, not at the command of my parents, but because I never felt any reason to close it. Might literally have to ask my children for their perspective.
OP, important point is that these questions answers typically skew to the very young.
In Austria, where I’m from, sex ed in school gets a brief introduction at age 10 when learning about the human anatomy, gradually learning more in biology class. Before ending middle school, there’s a mandatory intensive sex ed course, at least that was the thing 17 years ago.
Condoms were primarily advertised as medical products for preventing from sexual diseases, and only secondly as pregnancy preventions.
1 in 10 has had sex with 14 years old in my country, keep it safe, better at home with condoms than in the woods without. If they want to, they’ll find a way.
Early children ruin lives. Early sex with out risk of child is fine.
Every parent of a gay or bisexual child iv ever talked to about this topic has had the same thought process.
If not for the risk of early grandkid then they wouldn't really care.
Teenagers are horny they going to do what animals do. But they arnt smart enough generally to do it safely in most cases.
Not a parent, but here's my perspective.
My mother always made me work for it. She had a door open policy among other things. She didn't actually care if I was doing the things I wasn't supposed to be doing, she just didn't want to find out. If she found out, it meant I was being too careless/stupid. It's actually a really good way to build up your risk evaluation skills! I did occasionally get myself in trouble (not with sex but other things), and she would help me out of the situation. Id get a lecture about what I did wrong afterwards, but honestly she was pretty good at teaching me.
As long as they use contraceptive they can do whatever they want.
And by that I mostly mean IUD and pills because condom are trash that make sex not worth having
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Yay toxic parenting
What'd they say?
Some variant of "my house my rules" rant
If it's a son, then probably not.
Not worth the trouble, wouldn't allow them in a bedroom door or no door ever.
Contributing to the deliquence of a minor is broad law.
The main worry is how the other child's parents would react were something to occur. Also, your co-parent if they not on board with your decision.
I've definitely done the talk, "box of condoms under the bathroom, no questions asked, give them to your friends if needed" but that is vastly different than tossing a box of condoms at a minor and telling them to have fun.
You are of course free to assess your own willingness to risk such liability and take the gamble that there will be no fall out. The odds are heavily in your favor.
Tell me you dont have kids without telling me you dont have kids.
Yeah, no.
Tell me you're still a child without telling me you're still a child or tell me you're an uninvolved parent without thoughts telling me your an uninvolved parent.
Then you'd just be discouraging sex in your own home. Congrats! They decided to do it in the car or public bathroom instead, without your knowledge, and without the safety net you could have provided if anything went wrong.
You should check the local statutory rape laws applicable to you. In many places, there's an exception if both people are close in age and are both willing.
There's something called "talking with your partner".
Sounds very hypocritical. I mean, why are you disallowing it in your home when you already offer condoms "no questions asked"?
You need to understand that giving permission is not encouragement, and that withdrawing permission is not discouragement.
You may not want your kids to have sex, but if they understand the risks and still want to, the best thing you can offer is safety and privacy.
Replace sex with alcohol and maybe the issue will be more obvious for you. Knowingly providing a minor who is not my child with a "safe place" to drink is actually a larger liability.
There many places to have and enjoy sex. The key is not telling them to go fuck in the car or a pubic bathroom. It's far more likely it will occur regardless. I have walked into my kitchen and interrupted oral sex. This didn't result in high fives but insteads discussions and and me informing the other teen's parents. To be clear there was also no punishment.
If I know I am legally obligated to intervene. I am not sure how much more clearly I can state this.
The condoms are the safety net.
I have made it very clear to my children that I cannot know because then I am legally required to intervene.
My state has zero exceptions around this.
It's a nuanced approach. It's possible they are being used for water balloons.
I have already explained the liability in giving a minor permission to break any law.
I never said this.
I openly and routinely discuss these risks. I challenge them not to be basic.
Safety yes. Privacy with potential sexual partners as a minor, no.
Safety is a larger issue. I have had open discussions with them at a very deep level on this and other topics to get ahead of embarrassment and guilt.
My state has laws that I do not agree with but which I must abide by.
I am approaching the issue without emotion or judgment. I literally said others are free to choose their own liability risk which you chose to ignore.
Your feelings on the topic are not going to sway me.
A permissive parenting style isn't my style. I prefer to have actual discussions with my children on important topics and do so throughout their development into adulthood.
I have had great success on this as well as the other topics. When I clearly layout what is legally required of me in various situations, they understand.
This creates fun opportunities where I can layout the world as I wish it were vs the world as it is. Children are not dumb. They can grasp the subtext. I know because they will repeat it back to me in their own words.
Trying to compare safe sex with alcohol consumption is wild. One is actively harmful to the human body (and even more so to a developing one), and the other is not. I'll let you guess which one is which.
So you know it would occur regardless, but you also don't want it happening behind closed doors. Given those constraints, the kitchen scene is only natural.
Discussions on safe sex, great. Discussions on privacy, cool, though you could have just offered the privacy they needed. Informing on the other party's parents, oh boy; unless you actively know their parents to be knowledgeable and reasonable, you may have placed that teen in danger. They were lucky to not have been in any trouble.
Condoms are a safety net against STDs. Sexual safety extends beyond protecting against STDs, and you, as a parent, are responsible for that. If anything goes wrong (e.g. emotional discomfort after the act, physical discomfort, broken condom, etc.), you would want to be the first person your child approaches; this "I cannot know" mentality is actively harming that.
I am sorry to hear that. However, based on that and your previous statement about walking in on oral sex between (I presume) your then-underaged teen and their then-underaged partner, you were complicit in helping those juvenile criminals avoid legal persecution by not informing law enforcement.
To be clear, I'm just making light of your heavy focus on legality and liability.
You are making excuses to justify offering condoms while still disallowing sex. Water balloons? Come on now.
And before you quote me on "disallowing sex" and say that you've never said that, saying that you "cannot know" or else you "would intervene" is very clearly doing that.
The entirety of your arguments have been rooted in concerns about legality and liability. With that in mind, are you saying that if your state does have a Romeo and Juliet law, you'd be fine with offering a private and safe space for your children (I.E. their rooms) to have safe sex with anyone they want within the confines of that law?
Morality vs legality is an entirely different subject that I'm not going to delve in right now, but based on that statement, it shows which one you value more.
"I am being logical" is such an overdone excuse used to justify arguments. It's also a highly reductive mindset to use in regards to your children.
Oh, I'm not ignoring it. It's just that being free to choose my own "liability risk" does not automatically exempt me from giving my own opinion on how you are dealing with this issue.
Or you can get another kitchen scene. Right in front of your salad.
Fun!
Just focusing on the liability here and the reality that children may do it regardless of legality.
That would change my posture.
Nope. I am not obligated to report the issue to the authorities if Inform the other child's parents and take steps to prevent future occurrence.
Don't be facetious Jeffery.