PieFedDon’t call it ‘Alligator Alcatraz.’ Call it a concentration camp.
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HanrahanAlligator Auschwitz
Mayve a neon sign at the entrace "Deportation will set you free!"
ZierWe should call it Camp DeSantis. I know it's part of a broader federal policy, but I feel local political pressure is the right choice in a republic. The governor is letting this happen. And also because, fuck that guy.
pelespiritAlligator Auschwitz works for that. Someone called it that last week.
We shouldn’t use any of the branding the nazis have provided. It’s the Everglades concentration camp.
One of the few new things the current crop of fascists have invented is a way to make all this horror sound fun and harmless by the use of mean humor.
So, yes, don’t call it that. I agree.
I’m convinced this place is designed to kill people. I mean, they defunded noaa, cancelled FEMA, and built a hastily constructed, non-storm rated facility and dropped it in hurricane alley. It’s already flooded once.
MuchPineapplesI'm going to go with "U.S. Dachau". Descriptive timing and initial stated intent for the camp in its relationship to nazi Germany. No cute branding, just straight attribution. I was thinking of going with "Republican..." but that would only blame half the parties; its the US flag flying overhead after all.
Alligator Auschwitz
I get that the name is alliterative, but this is more like Dachau in '33 than Auschwitz in '45.
TheFlopsterI was going to correct you and say that two words starting with A aren't alliteration but assonance. But when I looked it up to make sure I was right, I wasn't. There might not be a word for the same vowel letter in successive words. shrug
- alliteration – repeated initial consonant sounds in multiple words
- assonance – repeated vowel sounds within multiple words
- consonance – repeated consonant sounds within multiple words
Learn something new every day.
p.s. I support any name that conveys the obvious nazi connection.
Wasn't Dachau mostly political prisoners? Guantanamo Bay might qualify better for that comparison.
I am partial to American Auschwitz.
BeBopALouieYou know, it's this kinda shit that makes people not take y'all seriously. One day, you guys might find an actual problem, and everyone will think "oh they're just ragebaiting again" and ignore them
Alligator Auschwitz
No, the Everglades concentration camp.
We should use no part of the fascists’ branding.
dohpaz42We absolutely should appropriate their branding. They don’t get to have things.
I feel like we've heard this argument so many times over the last 30 for 40 years. But the truth is catchy works. Sticks in the mind longer. And what sticks of the mind is typically believed. It's repeated easier. And what's repeated more is typically believed. There's a reason jingles and catchphrases work. There's a reason I know ad campaign slogans from 30 years ago. To think it doesn't work in politics is Ludacris.
There's a value there, in poisoning their message, diluting the lie by linking the things. Not that it can't go wrong.
Alligator Auschwitz
Yep
Alligator Auschwitz
Bum-Fuck Buchenwald
Crocodile Kraków
DeSantis Dachau
Everglades Esterwegen
Gator Gross-Rossen
Hillbilly Hinzert
MAGA Mauthhausen
Redneck Ravensbrüch
South-Florida Sachsenhausen
Trump Treblinka
The sad truth is that most Americans, especially Trump voters, are likely, maybe, to have heard of Auschwitz, and even then only having heard of it and not knowing what it is, but have never seen those others in their life.
I'm admittedly a little better read on the subject than most Americans
Off the top of my head, I'd probably be able to rattle off Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Dachau, Krakow, and Treblinka off the top of my head.
Small side rant, my mom's side of the family is Polish. Most of my mom's grandparents (my great grandparents) were off-the-boat from Poland, I know at least one of them never became a US citizen. We have some family still in Poland, we're not exactly in regular contact but we know more or less how to track each other down when we want to.
Years ago, well-before I was born, my mom's family went to visit those relatives. There is honestly probably enough material from that trip (and from when a relative from Poland was able to visit the US back then) to write a pretty decent short book, or at least a couple solid blog posts. Lots of interesting comparisons between the state of things in the US and Poland during the Cold War to be made.
One of the things they did was visit Auschwitz. Seeing that was something that definitely shaped my mom's worldview from there on out. To her credit, my mom already had her head screwed on pretty straight before that when it came to racial tolerance and such.
She would occasionally tell us little bits about it when we were growing up, not like she purposely sat us down and gave us a Holocaust talk or anything, it was just something that came up occasionally when appropriate
I don't know if this was ever an intentional choice by her, but she never really said who built and ran the camps, who was sent there, why, etc. she pretty much just left it at they were places that existed, and that people did various kinds of horrible things to other people there.
As far as I knew, it was all Polish people (not unlike myself) doing horrible things to other Poles, for reasons I couldn't really wrap my head around. It wasn't until we started learning about WWII and the Holocaust in school that the details of who and my started falling into place.
But by that point, I think the key message about people being capable of immense cruelty towards other people had really been firmly planted in my mind. The fact that one side or the other are Jews, Poles, Germans, LGBT people, Romani, black, white, Hispanic, Christian, Muslim, Palestinian, Hutu, Tutsi, Armenian , Uyghur, etc. isn't really important compared to the idea that this is something that people like me could do to other people who are also just like me, and I need to be vigilant to make sure that doesn't happen.
Lizard Lichtenburg
Florida Flossenbürg
Miller’s Mittelbau
RFK Ravensbrück
Here are some scary facts about Treblinka: it was in operation for about 18 months, was staffed at any one time by about 25 German officers and soldiers and 100 civilian workers, executed people with the exhaust from a single salvaged Russian tank engine, and murdered about 900,000 people in total. People tend to assume that the Holocaust was a massive industrial-scale operation that used up a huge fraction of German resources, but in fact it was a remarkably low-cost operation for the most part. Even the transportation aspect largely made use of supply trains returning otherwise empty from the front. If Hitler had not been stopped militarily, Germany would have had no technical difficulty in carrying out his goal of literally exterminating the nearly 200 million people of the Soviet Union.
"Alligator Auschwitz"
AND IN THE DAYS FOLLOWING THE OPENING OF THE CONCENTRATION CAMP CNN WAS FOCUSING MOST OF ITS ATTENTION ON THE TRIAL OF FUCKING P DIDDY
Bread & Circuses
IKR? Puff Daddy is the kind of artist I generally could care less about since forever, and yet, it's nearly impossible to escape knowing some amount of detail about his propensity for lube or that NazYe showed up to his trial.
francesca fiorentini called it Alligator Auschwitz, which i like because it keeps the alliteration while conveying the concentration camp idea.
edit: i heard it from her first but many leftists seem to be calling it that; my bad.
Not bad
HAS ANYONE NOTICED I'M ANGRY?
Yeah
HOW WILL THIS SHIT END? HOW DO WE END THE FUCKING HOLOCAUST?
Killing a shitload of Nazis seemed to help last time.
Unfortunately, the Nazis were only removed from power by an external military force much greater than them. Even after the war was utterly lost and the Allies were closing in on all sides and literally turning their cities into heaps of rubble, the Nazis never lost their chokehold on Germany. What external power is coming to remove Trump and his cronies?
Cascadia, motherfuckers
The fascist regime in Portugal was overthrown by their own people. It didn't require an external force.
I DON'T KNOW BUT I'M PISSED OFF WITH YOU. FUCK THESE EVIL PRICKS. IT MUST END
DEATH CAMP!
People will actually die here. The reason for death is irrelevant.
I’m convinced this place is designed to kill people. I mean, they defunded noaa, cancelled FEMA, and built a hastily constructed, non-storm rated facility and dropped it in hurricane alley. It’s already flooded once.
Maybe so.
Considering the death of 20+ innocent kids via a flash flood in TX, who knows the multi that would drown at this camp.
It's amazing to me that they have no problem blaming the gays for hurricanes, yet it never goes the other way... I mean, if you're someone who looks for "signs" in the weather, it doesn't get any more obvious than what happened in Texas.
Yeah, wiping out a church camp is definitely a "sign".
And they probably won't even tell the public about it
People died in concentration camps too - they are still distinct from death camps. There may be death camps in the near future, but there aren't yet.
Concentration camps are bad enough as is, and calling facilities like Alligator Alcatraz concentration camps has the advantage that it's the truth - they check all the boxes in the concentration camp definition checklist. If you make stuff up for dramatic effect your argument is no longer factually correct - which means it can be disputed using facts.
Gee, can’t imagine why.
THEY'RE SELLING MERCHANDISE LIKE IT'S A GODDAMN AMUSEMENT PARK! HUMANITY HAS FAILED! WE ARE A FAILED SPECIES AND WILL PROBABLY GO EXTINCT FROM THE SELFISHNESS AND GREED OF A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE POPULATION
Can you order one of those massive solar flares that will kill global power grids? Might give us a little bit of a reset.
Some ≠ all.
I had to re-read the comment several times to try to figure out what you're attempting to correct them about...
So... the rest of us aren't perfect but IDK if id say "humanity" has failed. America certainly seems that way.
Okay yeah, but... nah, I can't think of a rebuttal. We're Michelan Star cooked.
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hey don't rope the rest of the world in with your fuck up. Humanity hasn't failed, you failed. Americans failed. Just because I live above a Nazi Bar doesn't mean I go down there to have a pint. Fuck at this point if I did your SS would probably arrest me.
So stop being a bunch of Nazi's that you claim you aren't and go start rebelling.
Not all Americans.
Why are you lumping ME in with Americans? I'm Canadian
And like the Germans in WW2, the Americans are also starving and beating these people, but they’ve outsourced that shit to nations like El Salvador to obscure the atrocities.
I didn't realize how long the NYT had been like this.
Behind the Bastards did a good piece on the arguable complicity of the Times in the Holocaust over journalistic "neutrality".
Since at least the second Iraq war. They've got manufacturing consent down to a science.
I don't actually want to say this but the USA was founded on genocide. It literally killed the native americans to take their land, same as hitler attempted to do with the polish people.
Hitler’s whole plan was modeled after American genocide, Manifest Destiny, and eugenics.
It was also modeled on our auto industry and car culture.
Also Jim Crow laws
We are the big brother to Nazism. The USA been playing that good fascist bad fascist game for a long time now.
Eugenics in America predates the third Reich.
Generally something would need to exist for it to be used as a model in another thing, yes
"That wasn't genocide, it was an upgrade. They had no civilization. We rehabbed those savages." –my grandfather, probably.
If you sell them guns as you're killing them, you get to call it a war and not genocide.
That doesn't mean we should keep doing it.
i see this sentiment a lot, and i just wonder if there are some people unaware that America was colonized by europeans
I think it's more that we are way into blissful ignorance in this country.
If you polled the citizens to ask whether America was founded/discovered by European explorers, the vast majority would agree. But of course, even if 80% or 90% get it right that still means tens of millions got it wrong.
But if you polled the citizens to ask whether US territory was simply discovered or stolen from existing inhabitants by murdering/genociding them, I bet you would flip the numbers.
And...? Oh that was your whole point? Oh.
Yeah dude, we fucking know.
OK so we should just let them keep doing it then
we can't upvote this enough
Had trump not pretended to want to reopen Alcatraz and everyone rightly thought he was a fool. I imagine how outraged everyone would have that he actually build this concentration camp in Florida. Instead it was reduced to a mere pun.
Oh no, he's still trying to do that. It was one of the first things he ordered the Bureau of Prisons to do. He posted about it a few days ago, this time talking about somehow surrounding it with sharks (because of course).
Those who deny life and liberty to others don't deserve it themselves. They should all keep their oath to the constitution or they should die fighting against it.
I call it what it is, a Cruelty Centre.
Genocide camp
It most certainly is one.
Call it something that implies the administration collectively has small penises. They seem to be insecure about that.
Compensation Camp
Airhorn.wav
/chef's kiss
Over*
Wasn't "concentration camp" a euphemism, too?
I mean, most people know people are not doing any "camping" at such a place, but....still.
No.
Camp means encampment. Which refers to temporary or light shelter, usually for a group. And the term "concentration camp" is from the 1800s.
Concentration camp did indeed start as a euphemism but it's not the "camp" part that was but the "concentration" part.
Most "untoward" things become more well known from their euphemisms. This is just a rare non-sex case.
Alligator Auschwitz Comcentration Camp?
I was under the impression we were already doing that.
Porque no los dos?
Because they want everyone to use their name for it. Magats love that name. It hides what it really is and lends a celebratory air to the base at the same time as an intimidating effect to potential victims. Remember, they want people to 'self-deport' and this is part of that strategy, in addition to its obvious use. So they're going to make more places like this with more names like this.
Don't help them. Don't go along with what they want. Resist them in every way possible, including not using their terminology--whether it's what they call concentration camps or what they call the bills they pass, like the huge hideous bill signed yesterday.
I disagree. If everyone immediately overnight started referring to it as "Alligator Alcatraz Concentration Camp" and were committed to using that name going forward no matter what, they sure the fuck wouldn't like it anymore.