Of course - never watched any of them. To be honest y also didn't watch scrubs either but I saw too many ads about their episodes back in the pre streaming era so I recognize some of the cast. Thanks
too bad alec baldwin made it wierd now, people cant stop thinking about him in every role where doesnt have a gun to peoples head, he has been a couple movies where had guns pointed at peoples head.
All these are good (although I never saw the end of The Office), but I'm chaotic evil. IASIP is my all time favourite US sitcom (Peep Show being my favourite UK sitcom).
Evil is my favorite row here. Scrubs shares my #1 spot with 30 Rock, but only because of how much heart it has. The only show that matches the evil row for number of laughs for me is Community.
I didn't think I actually watch a lot of TV, but fuck me, I've seen pretty much every episode of every one of these shows, minus Brooklyn 99. Made it like 3 seasons and got bored with it.
If you liked every one of those shows, I can guarantee you that you'll like the rest of B99. Early seasons focus a lot on Jake, Holt and Amy, but later seasons get more variety in leads and storylines. There's a bunch of very good recurring concepts too, comparable to the Community paintball episodes. The series only gets stronger as it progresses imo.
I dunno, man. I liked all the other shows from the get go except for parks and rec (season 1 was bad). Going like 3 seasons and deciding to stop watching..... Prolly just not going to do it for me.
I don't know if Michael is a villain. He is dumb. But I don't know if his motivation is malice. And Stanley just cheated on his wife. The others I can agree with. However, that doesn't mean ALL were evil. Meredith and Phyllis weren't evil.
Michael wasn't malicious, just so incompetent and oblivious to it that he was a villain. Stanley was grumpy and lazy which is what made him work against the others to thwart them. That also makes him a villain in my book
Jim and Pam constantly pull pranks on Dwight that he has no fun in. It’s fun for the viewer, but they’re still terrible people. Daryl is also funny but mean as hell. If you’re putting always sunny and arrested development down there then yes, the office goes down there too. No clue why 30 rock is down in evil though.
Yeah but every story needs an antagonist. It’s when the entire cast is antagonists that you get the evil layer, e.g. the office, arrested development, sunny etc.
Hmm, I think the family leading up to the show seems like it might be kinda Arrested Development, but during the show I don't think they really ever do anything "evil".
I was thinking evil more in terms of the system that allows people to be rich and lazy in that manner, then they grow as a family over the course of the show until they are definitely good, but still definitely chaotic.
Yeah the last 2 episodes of season one were great, the last episode of season 2 felt like a great climb and then just collapsed at the end I feel. Like they didn't know where they wanted to go and just put it on a character not knowing where they wanted to go as a cliff hanger
If you like any of these shows, I strongly recommend the rest. They all scratch that same itch for me, extremely well-written, clever comedies (that is to say, the jokes are often clever, the characters are often not).
Lawful Good: Parks and Recreation
Neutral Good: Scrubs
Chaotic Good: Brooklyn 99
Lawful Neutral: Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt
True Neutral: The Office
Chaotic Neutral: Community
Lawful Evil: 30 Rock
Neutral Evil: Arrested Development
Chaotic Evil: It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
eh, woke cops is a liberal fantasy, to be sure. Brooklyn 99 was put in an awkward spot in 2020 and did its best to try and talk about them. I do think it was made with the best of intentions, and the cop stuff is mostly like, a parody of cop stuff tropes, rather than a fetishization of the cops themselves (like, say, Law and Order.) Maybe it doesn't excuse it totally, but it is really worse than say, Parks and Rec's cheery depiction of depiction of politics (especially when it goes national)?
Part of what convinces me of it's earnestness is how focused it was on representation. Theres a story about how when Stefanie Beatriz found out Melissa Fumero got the part of Amy, she was convinced well, that was it, they cast the Latina woman. I forget if they made the part of Rosa for her or they liked her so much they just cast her as it, but like, the cast being so diverse stands out compared to some of the more whiter casts on this very list. (and Im not knocking any show on this list, honestly. I liked them all except for The Office, which I never watched, and whatever LN is)
Did you even see the last 2 seasons? They actually really confronted those issues and outright said that they weren't really the good guys, the show tackled multiple times that the system is completely broken. I get if it was Law and Order being mad, but man you're mad at the only cop show I've ever seen acknowledging and trying to tackle these issues. I mean, that's literally why they made the captain gay and black, and that's just one example.
You just listed the exact reasons the show is copaganda.
American Police are not lovable goofballs full of historically oppressed minorities realizing they are the bad guys. They are not "tackling issues", they are lampshading and white washing them. Take the episode where Peralta meets the old detective from the book he loves on and is like
"Oh wow, old school police were racist... glad they aren't anymore!"
And holt reminded him that it's still a narrative that needed to be corrected. What about the one where Terry was profiled? Or holt was denied his promotion?
It's pretty clear that you wouldn't approve of any cop show that tries to work through these issues, so I'm not going to bother arguing with you. I think they did a great job, a lot of those episodes were very hard to watch because they were confronted with choosing a career under one pretended and then saw the reality. To do that with a comedic tone is incredibly hard, and I think they did well.
It's pretty clear that you wouldn't approve of any cop show that tries to work through these issues
Well I definitely wouldn't say that, I'm a big fan of The Wire and We Own This City. All three are different flavors of copaganda, I just feel B99 lampshaded systemic issues instead of confronting them.
However I do agree that there isn't use in arguging, and since we both made our opinions clear you go have a good day. ♥️
I'll also not argue, not having to write valid arguments makes life a lot easier, but I want to chime in and say both brooklyn 99 and the wire are really good.
Newer SVU episodes also acknowledge the issues and often essentially have the message that they (the very specific SVU team) are the only non-terrible NYPD team even within their own universe. I can't speak to the other law and orders as I haven't seen them.
It is copaganda but they're trying their best. SVU in particular seems pretty self aware that it's pretty much fantasy at this point.
hes also somewhat amoral, because of his injury. the closest characther to another show would dr rush in SGU, they both had similar experiences that caused to be callous.
Puck from Gargoyles decided to mimic the most serious person he could find and serve a billionaire. All because he thought it would be hilarious. This is chaotic neutral. This continues to blow my mind.
I wonder what actor has the most of these shows. Fred Armisen has done a character on the lawful column plus brooklyn 99. I wonder if someone out there has 5 or more.
Will Arnett was a regular in Arrested development and 30 rock and made an appearance in Parks & Rec and The Office. And apparently voiced “Kitty” in Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt.
Wow you’re missing out on some of the best sitcoms in history then. Community and arrested development alone, then you bring in 30 rock? I think those three are the most tightly and expertly written comedy scripts, period. They all ended up overstaying their storylines and you can pretty much lop off a few seasons of each, but as someone who watched them all while they aired, I have a deep, abiding love for them and still find joy in he lesser seasons. Do yourself a favor and catch up on these.
I mean, “many magnitudes” is excessive, I think. I personally think it’s great, it’s my favorite. But arrested development and community are the only two in the same class as community. Who is head of the class is debatable, but the writing of all three shows is just phenomenal.
Chaotic Evil. Always Sunny is Seinfeld without trying to make the characters likeable, which as a huge Seinfeld fan, I felt was the biggest detriment to the show, and probably done so Jerry Seinfeld felt better acting in it as himself. What with being a groomer and all.
Yes, sorry, used the wrong word, was doing accounting while writing. I meant that an average person looks at the Sunny characters and doesn't think they want to be them, where as I'd argue only George (and maybe Kramer) were that in Seinfeld.
I used to think Kramer was harmless and happy. Then I had a longtime friend who was very similar. Charismatic, fun to hang out with, and manipulative and disorganized as hell. Drama, always needing things, and causing issues. Didn't think Kramer was that nice after, and throughout the show you see him mooching off of Jerry.
and his shit eating grin when confronted about his support for IDF and israel, plus his wife is also funding anti-protest groups. i felt like the other actors in seinfeld is what made it funnier than him alone, and with him alone he is kinda of a lame duck, given how he acted when people wouldnt laugh at his jokes.
ISAIP was chaotic evil to become neutral, in the later seasons. from season 13 on, they switched.
I feel like there's gotta be a separate chart entirely for the late-'80s/mid-'90s sitcoms. Friends, Frasier, Seinfeld, Roseanne, Home Improvement, Wings - that's an argument in and of itself.
But they're definitely not in any box with "Good" under it.
PieFed
It's chaotic neutral until you hit the evil timeline
Danny Pudi ftw 👍
Hot… hot, hot, hot!
That's still CN, and firmly in the murderhobo category insofar as "haha, it's a phase" handwaving as canonical explanation. 😶
I don't know that system of a down music video
None of them fit as well as Sunny for chaotic evil.
Community is pretty damn good for CN
Fey and Poehler occupying the entire Lawful column is insane, and the truth.
Yes, Kenneth. :)
Ok the only two I recognize are also the ones that have the show name on them. What about the other 7?
Parks and Recreation - Scrubs - Brooklyn Nine Nine.
Kimmy Schmidt - The Office - Community.
30 Rock - Arrested Development - Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
Of course - never watched any of them. To be honest y also didn't watch scrubs either but I saw too many ads about their episodes back in the pre streaming era so I recognize some of the cast. Thanks
These are literally the only shows I watch lmao
Edit: add Modern Family
I always forget 30 rock existed
It's so good too
As long as it's not like the office I might give it a go, couldn't get past episode two
30 rock is one of the very few shows that does not have a noticeable dip in quality.
It's just really fucking funny from beginning to end.
Tina Fey is a god.
This is a good list of comedies in my opinion (not that into B99 tho) but I think 30 Rock is the most underrated one on here
too bad alec baldwin made it wierd now, people cant stop thinking about him in every role where doesnt have a gun to peoples head, he has been a couple movies where had guns pointed at peoples head.
Oh dude, give it a chance.
30 Rock has the highest jokes-per-minute of any TV series, according to this extremely unscientific and rigor-less measurement.
Tina Fey is brilliant and everything she touches is worth sampling.
Parks and Rec, Scrubs, Brooklyn 99,
???, The Office, Community,
30 Rock, Arrested Development, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
Kimmy Schmidt made me actually laugh out loud the first time I watched it. It's worth a watch imo
The suny old people jokes. When Titus did the voice acting gig. It’s a weird manic show but it was amazing
i dont recognized the middle left. top left: parks and recs, and then brookyln 99,
the middle right is community
the bottom is 30rock, arrested development and isaip.
All these are good (although I never saw the end of The Office), but I'm chaotic evil. IASIP is my all time favourite US sitcom (Peep Show being my favourite UK sitcom).
Evil is my favorite row here. Scrubs shares my #1 spot with 30 Rock, but only because of how much heart it has. The only show that matches the evil row for number of laughs for me is Community.
This a good 70% of what I watch
I didn't think I actually watch a lot of TV, but fuck me, I've seen pretty much every episode of every one of these shows, minus Brooklyn 99. Made it like 3 seasons and got bored with it.
If you liked every one of those shows, I can guarantee you that you'll like the rest of B99. Early seasons focus a lot on Jake, Holt and Amy, but later seasons get more variety in leads and storylines. There's a bunch of very good recurring concepts too, comparable to the Community paintball episodes. The series only gets stronger as it progresses imo.
I dunno, man. I liked all the other shows from the get go except for parks and rec (season 1 was bad). Going like 3 seasons and deciding to stop watching..... Prolly just not going to do it for me.
:O How dare you.
9 9!
9 9!
The office is in no way neutral, it’s definitely in the evil scale. You’re meant to hate all the characters.
Even Jim and Pam? Or Daryl? I mean Toby naturally. But that's just one guy.
Michael and Dwight and Angela and Ryan and Stanley and of course Kelly are all villains in their own way
I don't know if Michael is a villain. He is dumb. But I don't know if his motivation is malice. And Stanley just cheated on his wife. The others I can agree with. However, that doesn't mean ALL were evil. Meredith and Phyllis weren't evil.
Michael wasn't malicious, just so incompetent and oblivious to it that he was a villain. Stanley was grumpy and lazy which is what made him work against the others to thwart them. That also makes him a villain in my book
Not a pure villain IMO, the show certainly tries to make him lovable/relatable in some ways. See his UK equivalent for someone who is.
But Creed is an angel
Jim and Pam constantly pull pranks on Dwight that he has no fun in. It’s fun for the viewer, but they’re still terrible people. Daryl is also funny but mean as hell. If you’re putting always sunny and arrested development down there then yes, the office goes down there too. No clue why 30 rock is down in evil though.
30 rock has Alec Baldwin and Tracy Morgan. Both their characters alone are up to no good.
Yeah but every story needs an antagonist. It’s when the entire cast is antagonists that you get the evil layer, e.g. the office, arrested development, sunny etc.
Oh I hear you. Those are just examples. I think most of 30 rock is up to no good.
I wonder where Schitts Creek would fall
I'd argue it switches over time from lawful evil to chaotic good.
Hmm, I think the family leading up to the show seems like it might be kinda Arrested Development, but during the show I don't think they really ever do anything "evil".
I was thinking evil more in terms of the system that allows people to be rich and lazy in that manner, then they grow as a family over the course of the show until they are definitely good, but still definitely chaotic.
Huh...my favorites are all of the evils
Someone told me to skip the first season of always sunny if I watch it, do you agree?
I found the first season superb. The characters weren't as well defined as later on, but some of the plots were amazing and brutal!
Yeah the last 2 episodes of season one were great, the last episode of season 2 felt like a great climb and then just collapsed at the end I feel. Like they didn't know where they wanted to go and just put it on a character not knowing where they wanted to go as a cliff hanger
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I'm Chaotic Evil. I've been watching IASIP since season 1 and could probably quote every line.
Yep, clearly chaotic good.
All these shows are bangers, well done!
Not my creation, to be clear
Shouldn’t Brooklyn Nine-Nine be lawful good?
The only lawful persons art Holt and Amy. For Jake, Gina, Scully, Hitchcock, and everybody else : it's chaotic.
I disagree, pretty much every character in the show has a LG moment when they do the right thing in spite of being tempted not to.
I think the Chaotic rating works, no? Between Jake's die hard antics and Scully & Hitchcock being themselves, I think it fits.
Chaotic evil for sure.
I only know 3 of these shows and they're all awesome
If you like any of these shows, I strongly recommend the rest. They all scratch that same itch for me, extremely well-written, clever comedies (that is to say, the jokes are often clever, the characters are often not).
Lawful Good: Parks and Recreation
Neutral Good: Scrubs
Chaotic Good: Brooklyn 99
Lawful Neutral: Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt
True Neutral: The Office
Chaotic Neutral: Community
Lawful Evil: 30 Rock
Neutral Evil: Arrested Development
Chaotic Evil: It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
The copaganda show .... as chaotic good?
No. Heck no.
The Good Place is a much better fit.
eh, woke cops is a liberal fantasy, to be sure. Brooklyn 99 was put in an awkward spot in 2020 and did its best to try and talk about them. I do think it was made with the best of intentions, and the cop stuff is mostly like, a parody of cop stuff tropes, rather than a fetishization of the cops themselves (like, say, Law and Order.) Maybe it doesn't excuse it totally, but it is really worse than say, Parks and Rec's cheery depiction of depiction of politics (especially when it goes national)?
Part of what convinces me of it's earnestness is how focused it was on representation. Theres a story about how when Stefanie Beatriz found out Melissa Fumero got the part of Amy, she was convinced well, that was it, they cast the Latina woman. I forget if they made the part of Rosa for her or they liked her so much they just cast her as it, but like, the cast being so diverse stands out compared to some of the more whiter casts on this very list. (and Im not knocking any show on this list, honestly. I liked them all except for The Office, which I never watched, and whatever LN is)
LN is Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt
Did you even see the last 2 seasons? They actually really confronted those issues and outright said that they weren't really the good guys, the show tackled multiple times that the system is completely broken. I get if it was Law and Order being mad, but man you're mad at the only cop show I've ever seen acknowledging and trying to tackle these issues. I mean, that's literally why they made the captain gay and black, and that's just one example.
You just listed the exact reasons the show is copaganda.
American Police are not lovable goofballs full of historically oppressed minorities realizing they are the bad guys. They are not "tackling issues", they are lampshading and white washing them. Take the episode where Peralta meets the old detective from the book he loves on and is like
And holt reminded him that it's still a narrative that needed to be corrected. What about the one where Terry was profiled? Or holt was denied his promotion?
It's pretty clear that you wouldn't approve of any cop show that tries to work through these issues, so I'm not going to bother arguing with you. I think they did a great job, a lot of those episodes were very hard to watch because they were confronted with choosing a career under one pretended and then saw the reality. To do that with a comedic tone is incredibly hard, and I think they did well.
Well I definitely wouldn't say that, I'm a big fan of The Wire and We Own This City. All three are different flavors of copaganda, I just feel B99 lampshaded systemic issues instead of confronting them.
However I do agree that there isn't use in arguging, and since we both made our opinions clear you go have a good day. ♥️
I'll also not argue, not having to write valid arguments makes life a lot easier, but I want to chime in and say both brooklyn 99 and the wire are really good.
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Somehow I feel like there’s probably sarcasm on that sentence that doesn’t translate from spoken words to text.
I didn't think it was possible to take that sentence literally, especially knowing it is from a comedy show about the police.
Whoosh
You
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Newer SVU episodes also acknowledge the issues and often essentially have the message that they (the very specific SVU team) are the only non-terrible NYPD team even within their own universe. I can't speak to the other law and orders as I haven't seen them.
It is copaganda but they're trying their best. SVU in particular seems pretty self aware that it's pretty much fantasy at this point.
I'm here and I brought my pitchfork, what's next?
Good call, totally agree
Oh no, my tastes tell me I am all four on the bottom right, so, basically chaotic evil and neighbours 🤔
try House for chaotic good
also maybe instead of "random shows that some dude watches" you could go for a theme like medical shows, cop shows, whatever?
(oops all the cop shows would be lawful evil)
These are all sitcoms.
House himself is a bad man though. He only helps people because it feeds his ego. Plus all the other shows are sitcoms and House isn't really.
I mean the whole show is about how none of that matters when you save someone's life who would be dead otherwise
He had his moments of humanity, and it was to satisfy his curiosity as much as ego.
hes also somewhat amoral, because of his injury. the closest characther to another show would dr rush in SGU, they both had similar experiences that caused to be callous.
Agree, I imagine House only got a medical degree because he was effortlessly a straight-A student and it fed his ego.
Puck from Gargoyles decided to mimic the most serious person he could find and serve a billionaire. All because he thought it would be hilarious. This is chaotic neutral. This continues to blow my mind.
I wonder what actor has the most of these shows. Fred Armisen has done a character on the lawful column plus brooklyn 99. I wonder if someone out there has 5 or more.
Will Arnett was a regular in Arrested development and 30 rock and made an appearance in Parks & Rec and The Office. And apparently voiced “Kitty” in Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt.
What are the middle and bottom lawful shows?
Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt and 30 Rock.
JUST BASH ME LIKE A RAT! JUST BASH ME LIKE A RAT AND GET IT OVER WITH!
We weren't quite sure what a worm hat was, right?
So we made a few of 'em.
I've never been so proud to've moved from CN to CE. 😭🤘🏼
(Which seems, by this graph, to be the natural progression.)
I am Neutral Good.
Chaotic evil :3
I never watch any of those series so no clue...
Do Friends
The last 2 is me for sure
considering alec baldwin hasa tendancy to discharge his gun sound about right.
too bad isaip went from chaotic evil to neutral in the later seasons.
no curb your enthusiam?
I'm neutral good apparently as it's the only show I know.
Wow you’re missing out on some of the best sitcoms in history then. Community and arrested development alone, then you bring in 30 rock? I think those three are the most tightly and expertly written comedy scripts, period. They all ended up overstaying their storylines and you can pretty much lop off a few seasons of each, but as someone who watched them all while they aired, I have a deep, abiding love for them and still find joy in he lesser seasons. Do yourself a favor and catch up on these.
I'd say community is many magnitudes better above the other two
First three seasons of AD are some of the best TV ever.
I mean, “many magnitudes” is excessive, I think. I personally think it’s great, it’s my favorite. But arrested development and community are the only two in the same class as community. Who is head of the class is debatable, but the writing of all three shows is just phenomenal.
I've seen almost all of them and can confirm that if you enjoyed one of the shows here you will probably enjoy each of them.
Neutral and Chaotic Evil.
Sienfeld?
Chaotic Evil. Always Sunny is Seinfeld without trying to make the characters likeable, which as a huge Seinfeld fan, I felt was the biggest detriment to the show, and probably done so Jerry Seinfeld felt better acting in it as himself. What with being a groomer and all.
The characters on Seinfeld were NOT intended to be likable.
well one of them is really not likeable irl.
The characters aren't likeable?
Relatable?
Yes, sorry, used the wrong word, was doing accounting while writing. I meant that an average person looks at the Sunny characters and doesn't think they want to be them, where as I'd argue only George (and maybe Kramer) were that in Seinfeld.
George I can kind of understand despite him having a semi decent life but kramer seemed to be a pretty happy guy
I used to think Kramer was harmless and happy. Then I had a longtime friend who was very similar. Charismatic, fun to hang out with, and manipulative and disorganized as hell. Drama, always needing things, and causing issues. Didn't think Kramer was that nice after, and throughout the show you see him mooching off of Jerry.
Oh yeah, I was backing you up.
Thanks, appreciate it.
I don't know I feel like I can kind of relate to kramer minus the N word thing but that was outside the show and after it I think
and his shit eating grin when confronted about his support for IDF and israel, plus his wife is also funding anti-protest groups. i felt like the other actors in seinfeld is what made it funnier than him alone, and with him alone he is kinda of a lame duck, given how he acted when people wouldnt laugh at his jokes.
ISAIP was chaotic evil to become neutral, in the later seasons. from season 13 on, they switched.
I feel like there's gotta be a separate chart entirely for the late-'80s/mid-'90s sitcoms. Friends, Frasier, Seinfeld, Roseanne, Home Improvement, Wings - that's an argument in and of itself.
But they're definitely not in any box with "Good" under it.
I think by the rules of the chart meme some have to be good maybe home improvement and friends ot sure about the rest
Neutral evil, mebbe?
Chaotic shows good, all others much less so, got it