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Canadian fiddler sues Google after AI Overview wrongly claimed he was a sex offender
Ashley MacIsaac, who is seeking $1.5m in civil lawsuit, says inaccurate information led to concert cancellation
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Sue for more than $1.5M bro
Sue for $1T.
Fuck em. Be as egregious as them.
At least in the US, you file suit for the maximum damage for every claim you make. Awards can (and usually are) be reduced from that, but cannot be increased beyond that. It’s unclear where he filed the lawsuit, so this may not apply here. I’m sure the $500k for each claim is the maximum allowed given the allegations.
Definitely top tier strategy going in and pissing off a judge for what amounts to be a simple lible case that would normally just get you a retraction. Top legal minds don’t want you to know this one trick.
Not sure if this is wider than the UK, but the word “fiddler” is often used here to describe someone who sexually assaults children. AI may well have decided this to be the case here.
AI didn’t decide squat, it’s auto completing text which is what leads to these kinds of mix ups.
Which is an argument to shut down chatbots down until they do an actual AI capable of understanding the semantics of the text.
Cherry
I agree a AI Language model that cannot understand context, region or colloquialism is pretty low standard.
unduIt bears repeating thatLLMs are unable to “understand” anything at all. They are not knowledge knoledge-based. Instead they auto complete based on the word probabilities that are found in the text they were trained with
It does. Just not regional shit it hasn’t been trained on as much.
It does not.
It uses probability to predict words that belong near the other words in your prompt. It’s a more powerful version of the suggested words at the top of your phone keyboard.
You could write a sentence or two using that, but it will quickly descend into gibberish.
It does not “understand” what you wrote in any way. It just has a heuristic that shows the word “Mom” comes after the word “Your” with a high frequency, so that’s what it’s going to output.
This is way beyond a bit of regional language differences.
Google’s AI Overview also wrongly stated that MacIsaac had been listed on the national sex offender registry for life, the lawsuit says.
My guess is that someone with a similar name is on that list, and the LLM confidently presented them as the same person.
Mr MacIsaac had similar slander before, like 20 years ago. I would not be surprised to find that lie fed this one.
PeppycitoI’m not sure it was slander? I think he admitted to a relationship with a younger guy (like 20?) while Ashley was in his 30’s. It was kinda scandalous at the time, but I think it was as much the surprise that he was gay.
rozodruHell Canadian “scandals” back in the day were and still fairly tame.
I remember when the fact the “Barenaked Ladies” simply being called “The Barenaked Ladies” was incredibly scandalous here in Canada. Or the fact Alanis Morrisette cussed on her ablum.
He’ll get a correction and maybe a few bucks. Shit happens all the fucking time with journalism.
1) This wasn’t journalism.
2) This does not happen all the time with journalism.
3) A correction doesn’t fix this. Unlike with actual journalism, the problem is with the AI and not with a specific output.
- Doesn’t matter. Same legal concept.
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- Yes, retaining and providing guided training data can absolutely reduce the problem to a trivial error rate that is just as bad as traditional search when dealing with a shitty input.
You people say the dumbest shit just ‘because ai’.
Google’s AI Overview about MacIsaac now includes the statement: “In late 2025 and 2026, he made headlines for taking legal action against Google.”
lmao fuck off google.
Now they will accuse random people, to draw attention away from the pedo in chief.
Satiation. If you say it enough it loses meaning, then becomes normalized to people, that’s part of the goal effect when they accuse others of what they’re doing.
BzzBiotchGot mixed up with his brother: Canadian Diddler
Oh brother! I’m giving you the upvote, but I don’t like it
A reluctant upvote is still an upvote. Thusly I thank you 🙏🏻
Don’t wanna be a Canadian diddler
🎸🎶
Mixed him up with his brother, the fiddler
🎸🎶
Cause one thing was just not his style
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And that was being a pdf file
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Welcome to a new kind of tension
All across the maple leaf nation
Where musicians are slanderd by the claaaaankers
🎵🎶🎻*EPIC SOLO*🎻🎶🎵
And when all of man was judged by a bot
Innocence became a thing of the past
Everyone was mixed up and noone was clean
There was nothing left to do…
Than to diddle the machine
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leadoreOnly $1.5 million? That’s peanuts, especially to Google and especially for such heinous defamation. It should be for at least 100 million.
mercInternet companies have become way too used to hiding behind Section 230 of the Communications Act which allows them to say that anything on their sites was created by a user, not by them, and therefore they’re not liable. This made sense when the Internet was just chronological forums and there was no way for the operator to know that something defamatory or illegal had been posted.
They’ve managed to maintain that fiction, even when hand-picking content they want to show. Now they have algorithms that scan all the content people post, even videos, decide which content is going to generate the most views, clicks and engagement, and choose to prioritize that content, even if it is illegal.
But, now, with AI, they’re actually the ones generating that content. There’s no user to hide behind anymore. Let’s hope that the courts say that section 230 doesn’t protect them here and that they’re liable for all false claims made with AI, just as they’d be liable if it were an employee or the boss who posted it.
Ok that’s pretty amusing.
Neon_CarnivoreYeah, corpo AI error bullshit potentially ruining your life and livelihood, totally hilarious.
/s
Kinda reminds me of the fiasco with that Markiplier stream a few years ago.
Something happened with some emoji iirc, where if you reacted to something in the stream chat with said emoji Google used to have some sort of hidden bullshit policy where you couldn’t “spam” emojis in stream chats (and that’s what Mark was using as a voting method during his stream), because it triggered something in Google’s automation that would flag your Google account (the ENTIRE FUCKING THING) as going against TOS and deleted/suspended indefinitely the whole account. Like, thousands of people’s personal email accounts were just locked down with no way for the users to get into it. Mark had to make an entire separate video calling out YouTube/Google for being such fucking idiots and taking their sweet goddamn time trying to fix it.
Do we know what the emoji was?
From my googling, it wasn’t a specific emoji, but the fact that people were posting multiple in a row in a single message
Which is still utterly fucking stupid.
Yeah that’s dumb as hell, talk about disconnected. There are all kinds of slang and folks tend to emoji in response to emoji.
When it’s not every third word I don’t find it as annoying, just string them all at the end or say something cryptic like 👴🏼🐌📸🌱♥️
Ruining someone’s life is so funny to you I guess
Yeah kinda like when Ian Huntley was caught for being a horrendous pedo and everyone thought it was H from ‘Steps’.
Did the AI just see “fiddler” and go zoomer-slang mode
sidebroGoogles AI: Fiddler, diddler, what’s the difference
NotyouI knew exactly who it would be.
25 or 30 years ago he was in a bit of hot water for flashing people because he was wearing a kilt without anything under it while performing. That’s probably all it took for the LLM to go down the garden path.
He’s a bit of a character.
Helluva fiddle player though. I saw one of his shows, probably about 1995 if my memory is correct. It was a whale of a time.
Scott 🇨🇦🏴☠️Can one put a price on a damaged reputation? $1.5m is too small.
Exactly. I can’t believe he’s going for such peanuts, especially after reading all the other crap that they associated him with.
Ashley MacIsaac, a three-time Juno award-winning musician, filed the claim in the Ontario superior court of justice, asserting that Google was liable for the “foreseeable republication” of its AI-generated Overview feature, which previously published defamatory claims that he had been convicted of multiple criminal offences, including the sexual assault of a woman, internet luring involving a child with the intention of sexual assaulting the child, and assault causing bodily harm.
Google’s AI Overview also wrongly stated that MacIsaac had been listed on the national sex offender registry for life, the lawsuit says.
Big punitive settlements aren’t really a thing in Canada. He probably already has to justify to the court how Google’s action led to him actually losing $1.5m. If his claim for damages was unrealistic the case would just be tossed.
(obligatory IANAL)
Midnight WolfI anal too but please keep it on topic
:p
LeonAs much as I dislike them when all things are equal, that’s not the case in this world. Canada needs to change their attitude on this a bit because absurdly large punishments are one of the only ways to deter absurdly large corporations from bad behavior. Maybe punishments need to be scaled according to relative revenue of the offender.
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ZachariahCanadian fiddler sues Google after AI Overview the people who run Google wrongly claimed he was a sex offender
RustyNovaI hope he wins the lawsuit and Google has to pay him millions in damages.
Wikipedia had to deal with this same sort of thing with the biography of living persons policy after vandalism of John Seigenthaler’s article included defamatory material in 2005. With many people coming to rely on AI summaries at least for first impressions, AI companies need to lose some lawsuits until they fix their software.
Bummer for them since it can’t be fixed. “Hallucinations” aren’t an anomaly for LLMs, it’s how they function. The algorithm makes everything up, all the time. It’s only called out when it’s obvious. To stop one of these chatbots from giving made-up information would fundamentally disable it.
That said, they should absolutely be held accountable. They’re pushing this shit as if it’s a thinking, speaking human mind. They shouldn’t get to wipe their hands of it when it causes harm.
inariI wonder how plaintiffs can prove this sort of thing in court given that AI outputs are non-deterministic. Surely a screenshot won’t be enough, either.
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Ah, the ole’ fiddler/diddler switcheroo.
The Diddler on the Roof does sound like it’d make for a captivating musical though. Shades of The Nightman Cometh.
Diddler on the Roof
In British and Australian slang at the very least, “k*ddie fiddler” is a legitimate euphemism for, well, you know.
Would not be surprised if that’s somewhere at the root of the miscategorisation.
Google:
“No need to sue us. Mr Maclsaac was listed in Google search as a sex offender, but wasn’t actually on the sex offender registry. But no worry, we’ve fixed the problem! We have several government records contracts. Our LLM simply corrected the record and added Ashley to the sex offender registry. The error has been resolved.”
Guitarists are often fingering a minor
It’s a common misconception about fiddlers. It’s actually saxophonists.
I did not have saxual relations with that woman.
Buttle, Tuttle. Fiddler, diddler.
These things happen with AI.