PieFedmoral incongruence causes "porn addiction"
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray…
finding out the incongruence is what makes porn “addictive” and harmful to (the person) is such an eyeopener! it was always about morals, not whether sexuality objectively was good or bad and hey that makes sense
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MoreFPSmorebetterI mean people still spout the easily researchable lie that nasa spent millions developing a space pen and the Russian just used a pencil.
Once a lie has reached critical mass it's incredibly difficult to correct.
For anyone just finding out the NASA space pen thing was a lie we did use a pen, but so did Russia and we everyone else. The pen did not cost millions for us to make or develop. You can buy one right now for like 20 bucks. They simply pressurize the ink cartridges with a little bit of nitrogen so the ink is forced out no matter the orientation. You just cannot have graphite dust floating around a bunch of sensitive electronics from the 70s.
Dem BosainIs this the one you can hammer through a baseball and still write with?
I have no idea. That sounds like a very specific stress test... Not sure when I would need a pen to be able to survive getting hammered through a baseball lol.
FuglyDuckif it can go through a baseball, it can go through... well I won't say. Just know that if it can go thorugh a baseball, that there pen is a self defense pen, and you can take it on a plane with you. "Welcome to Murica."
Truthfully I don't even know what to say. What is this from? Haha
It's a terrible movie called Real Men. Just awful, don't bother watching it.
You just cannot have graphite dust floating around a bunch of sensitive electronics from the 70
in a 100% oxygen atmosphere, too.
Endymion_MallornDevelopment costs in that era vs. availability now don't equate. I don't remember the exact number, but the actual research & development of the zero-g pen did have a significant price tag.
NASA didn't develop the pen at all. Fisher did. They just bought the pens from. Wiki says they bought the pens for less than 3 bucks a pop back then. Adjusted for inflation the pens are actually a couple bucks cheaper today than they were back then lol.
While a million bucks in the 60s wasn't exactly cheap it certainly wasn't some astronomical amount by any means. Certainly not when compared to what we actually spent getting the ISS built and sent up to space.
The point of the story is that Russia also used the same pen. It's nothing to do with the cost.
lie that nasa spent millions developing a space pen and the Russian just used a pencil.
I'm like 99% sure that "lie" is in reality not a "lie," but rather what is known in some circles as a "joke." Like, "A horse walks into a bar, the bartender asks 'why the long face?'" Isn't a "common lie" just because it's oft repeated and not factual, it's a joke.
Every single time I have heard someone repeat it, it was in a "fun fact" way and not in a joking way.
Perhaps it's started that way, but I have had countless people bring it up over the years in a "here's this cool fact I learned that shows Americans are stupid and Russians are smarter" kind of way.
I brought this up on a different post where somebody made an offhand joke about masturbation addiction. Like clockwork, somebody showed up and was like, "Nuh-uh! You can get addicted to anything!"
It's going to be a while until we leave that idea behind, because now, it's not just the religious parroting the pseudoscience. The hyper-masculinity grift has gotten in on it, too, with concepts like semen retention, sometimes even plagiarizing purity culture outright.
You can get addicted to anything!"
This is why we need to agree on terms before debating. The colloquial meaning of addiction is "I just like it a lot", which is dumb.
I'm still operating on outdated studies likening porn to have similar effects on the brain as cocaine, any ideas where to find the correct information?
Honestly? As much as I hate the parent company, any recent studies you can find on Google Scholar. That's a great place to start. And don't just go with what the title of the paper says. Even if the title looks like it's pro- or anti-sex-addiction, the abstract usually gives a more nuanced perspective.
And as you look at the papers, just remember that religion would love to be right about how they personally interpret what their god says is "the right way to do it." If a paper ever makes claims that it's definitively proven that sex addiction is real, check the source; it's probably religious.
Porn, sex, and masturbation may accompany an addiction, but excessive activity is almost always a symptom of or in addition to other, deeper issues. In the papers you'll find from Scholar, you'll see a recurring theme: "it's complicated." To put it another way, someone who chronically masturbates is likely coping with a deeper trauma(s). When the trauma is dealt with, they may no longer compelled to masturbate, because masturbating does not itself appear to be addictive. Same with porn and sex.
The issue arises that when people engage in these activities more than their peers, they may assume they're behaving abnormally. Add on religion that has dogmatic rules about what is allowed, and that feeling of abnormality may be internalized as addiction, whereas a professional may find nothing unusual.
I came from a religion that promoted purity culture, and the idea that sex is addictive is simply a grotesque misrepresentation of the facts. If the science changes based on the facts and indicates that sex is addictive, I'll change my tune accordingly.
Until then, the "sex addict" proponents do not have a rigorous, data-backed leg to stand upon.
Thank you so much, it makes sense about the deeper issues. I just want a conclusion before I destroy my brain more than it is lol
Anyone who is EVER anti-sex in any capacity should be looked at extremely skeptically. Usually if you dig enough you uncover some religious bullshit behind it.
I'm sure there are some people who dislike porn because of the potential for exploitation etc
I'm also sure that the vast majority of people who claim that are actually just religious nuts but are too scared to admit it openly so they pretend to care about something else.
Exploitation is certainly an issue. However. A large part of the problem with the porn industry such as it is, is the stigma that's associated with women--not men--that are in the field. Women that are in the field are not treated particularly well by anyone not in the field, and part of what makes the industry so problematic is that once you're in, it's really hard to get out and have any kind of meaningful career.
...Kinda like the mental problem that trans kids have almost entirely comes down to the way they're treated by people around them...
gandalf_der_12teto the surprise of no one.
religiosity is not based on science. it's not based on thorough thought, it's not based on evidence, it's not based on an actual understanding of the world. of course, such a worldview leads to numerous problems.
I'm fully on board with calling it malpractice to spread the myth of porn addiction.
Is porn unambiguously good? No, grow up, few things are. But the issues with it should be based in reality. If its against your religion learn to not use it or change your religion. If you morally cannot abide the practices with it, either quit using it or find a form that lacks those quandries like written porn or pay worker owned porn cooperatives.
AvicennaI mean addiction I don't know, probably complicated and needs some underlying issues.
But horrible for sex education especially if watched by small kids, %100 for sure. Coupled with watching it secretly because "its porn" and not having discussions about it with adults, it can really warp teens' expectations of sexual relationships, self image and partner image.
Agree, but I think that's a separate issue entirely. I think the concept of porn addiction specifically comes up as an excuse for all kinds of depraved acts, from cheating to pedophilia to rape.
It also gives a somewhat conscience-alleviating name to the overwhelming psychological stress that many religious people feel when they experience the cognitive dissonance of enjoying something so "evil" and "sinful", as the article discusses. An ex of mine, who was raised in a much stricter baptist family, had real, serious trauma from it.
The issue isn't you spending too much time on sex. The issue is you not being able to spend enough time on sex.
Porn addiction as a unique phenomenon, yeah. But there's still a lot of people who have compulsive behavior and/or addiction behavior around porn. So it's not that there's nobody actually addicted to porn, but rather that it's not unique.
So it's not that there's nobody actually addicted to porn, but rather that it's not unique.
Not quite. It's a complex issue that often involves exploring a person's psyche. The data doesn't show that people can get addicted to porn or sex or masturbation, but excessive activity may accompany other traumas or disorders.
whotookkarlCompulsive behavior using porn to the detriment of other aspects of life (keeping a job, maintaining relationships, etc) is what I think of when I hear porn addiction, not a physical addiction like alcohol but a mental addiction like playing too much video games. I'm not very educated when it comes to psychology though
donThe whole article is a good read, but the last paragraph summarizes the topic fairly well:
Many of the moral values we were raised with, about sex, race or gender, are no longer fully applicable to the modern world. Because of religious opposition to sexual education, many people struggling with masturbation don’t understand what is normal, or that their sexual interests are healthy. Helping people to consciously examine and consider their religious beliefs about sex, masturbation, and porn with modern, adult, self-determining eyes, may help them reduce the pain and suffering caused by this moral conflict.
From my own perspective as an American born into charismatic Christianity, my specific upbringing regarding sex was surprisingly more anomalously open than what I saw with others around me. That said, everywhere I went within the region and those tangential to it, the foundation for sexual repression was nearly universal: intercourse for reproduction, pleasure bad.
Excluding occasionally open-minded outliers, it was as one would likely naturally suspect with religious control: (most) people who are raised to believe that
1) they need some man reading from a book to tell them what to believe, and
2) the man reading from a book is the moral authority because he says he is and everyone else agrees that he is
will naturally usually assume that, since millions of other are doing the same, and all those millions of others are reinforcing everything being ingrained, only the morally degenerate would disagree.
None of this does anything useful to address the the innate sexual drive most (but not all) humans experience, and instead only demonizes it, rather than nurturing it and promoting a healthy understanding of it.
Normalizing sexual and emotional health is completely anathema to the standard puritanical religious experience, so there’s little to no emotional regulation being taught to those made to believe as they’re indoctrinated: intercourse for procreation, anything else is lustful and sinful.
(As always, all cases have outliers and exceptions, geographic regions will have their own cultural differences, and within this topic I am one myself. I speak to the generalized nature of religion and its effects on sexual education and emotion regulation. YMMV.)
Lucy :3I never believed in it. Because it was, since I can think, a religion and conservative propagated thing. Never anything to do with science.
So because normal urges are repressed, people feel guilty, angry and start doing more if it.
Reminds me of how some of the most rabid anti-gay activists are caught pants down with another boy.
sabreW4K3It's always religious zealots
It's like the "no fap" fad a few years ago. You could see the same christian arguments against sex, it was pathetic.
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That's really interesting. I remember being really weirded out by those guys and the "wholesome" group and never really understanding why. Just a feeling of disgust and unease
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SuperNovaStarI'm not sure the 40k paraphernalia makes it safer. Lots of 40k fans don't seem to realize humans aren't the good guys.
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These researchers have not heard about gooners.
chickenhave conducted a meta-analysis of research on pornography and concluded that porn use does not predict problems with porn, but that religiosity does.
I think there's some important nuance here that isn't conveyed in the headline. Like I once knew someone who would compulsively browse porn even in inappropriate/risky situations like while they were at work; they did clearly have some kind of problem. But the nature of the problem seemed to be more along the lines of a sometimes-unhealthy coping mechanism for their preexisting mental health struggles than a situation where they started looking at porn and that decision was the cause of the problem, and would have caused the same problem for someone else.
what about sex addiction? that's more real imo
They're both rolled up into predisposition to addictive behavior. If it's fun and feels good, you'll do too much of it.
pelespiritOr medication, some cause addictive qualities.
Yeah, chemical dependence actually ends in a couple weeks for most (all?) drugs. It's just that whoever's life might suck too much to bear sober.