White House deletes thousands of web pages about energy conservation as heatwave slams US

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It follows Republican outrage over Mamdani offering the same heatwave advice as everyone else.

The US Department of Energy reportedly deleted about 6,000 pages related to energy conservation as a historic heatwave tears across the country.

The deletion was suspiciously timed, following Republican outrage over Mayor Zohran Mamdani asking New Yorkers to help reduce strain on the grid by setting their AC to 78 degrees. Republicans like Ted Cruz (who has famously fled severe weather in his home state), Nikki Haley, and Representative Nancy Mace (South Carolina) quickly pounced, framing the request as socialism and an act of war on women in menopause (the Republican Party is notoriously friendly to women’s health).

Of course, this is pretty standard advice during a heatwave. It was the official stance of the Department of Energy that Americans should set their thermostats between 75 and 78 degrees, and Republican governors in deep red states like Texas have issued the same advice in the past — including current governor Greg Abbott.

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And then when the inevitable grid failures occur, they will blame Biden and democrats and solar and wind. I feel like we’ve seen this movie before.


Tribalism makes people really stupid.


1984

Ignorance is strength.

I think we can check off “war is peace” with the Iran war and “freedom is slavery” with the anti-labor action too


Blessed is is the mind too ignorant to know doubt



Off course, we’ve always been at war with New-York




They’re afraid.

Good.



They cannot delete energy conservation webpages, they can only change them.


They also just added an Exxon lawyer to the DOJ..


Whitehouse doesn’t give a fuck about us. They don’t care about the energy cost to keep the white house 68 F.


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I have officially rounded the corner where everything is so insane my first reaction was to laugh at how absurd this is.

Literally everything they do is the worst possible choice. They literally want to burn down the world and rule over the ashes, even if they don’t understand that’s where this is headed.

I don’t think humanity is gonna make it. Too many of us refuse to engage with reality and evidence.

reality and evidence are painful. people avoid pain.

fantasy and magical thinking feels good. so they embrace it.

IME maybe like 1/20 people is grounded in a greater reality, most are living in a fictional magical world and only want to be around other people who support their fantasies.

fantasy and magical thinking feels good. so they embrace it.

Like the: “Luigi will save us with our army of guillotines” bullshit


It’s hard to trust and discuss news of USA when I reside in Europe and Asia mostly, where I believe that too much news services manipulate, fabricate, and do not verify information nor sources.
Yet, normally, people are getting paid/compensated to try not to avoid pain and to prioritize reality over pleasant feelings.



I’m sure the Mongols, Ottomans, Greeks and Romans thought they were going to be around forever too.


Sadly i think the powers that be will gladly overconsume and let climate, starvation, and war solve the overpopulation issue.

Probably thinking its alright, its like biblical plauges


Too many of us prefer what feels right to thinking.


Smart people predicted it already long time ago. Dumb people will choose dumb and greedy people to rule the world and nothing can be done by smart people to stop it. Unless the ruling one is smart dictator.



Wonder how long before Trump renames it “Department of burning Oil and Coal”

Department of finding ways to increase fossil consumption by working coal and raw oil into the American food consumption

They’ll build a land called New Jersey and populate it with “food scientists.”

We’ll make fun of them in movies, then ridicule their children on television.

They’ll poison our offspring with cancers and obesity!




The Oil & Gas Party wants you to buy more oil & gas. This government isn’t working for American, it’s funnelling American money to those who invest in oil & gas.

The Oil & Gas Party

GOP - Gas & Oil Party.

Also “Guardians of Pedophiles”.




We’re a deeply un-serious country.


78f is roughly 26c, which the recommendation here in Australia during summer. I usually have mine set to 30c/86f.

I don’t understand what the issue with Mamdani’s advice is.

He could have quoted MAGA and their recommendations and they still would have lost their shit.

He gave the same recommendation as the federal DOE. The sad part is this is the federal government following Fox News’ lead. Literally fox news is rewriting government messaging.

Well, government media does what its government says.




In the mindset of the contrarian reactionary, it doesn’t matter what the advice is but rather that it’s being given at all.


Yeah “78 set it and forget it” was good advice when I was a kid and it’s still good advice.


Don’t bother, there’s nothing to understand


[Random rambling] … HE’S A SOCIALIST … [more random rambling]



“They’re coming for your guns kids thermostat.”


Whats important is that we kept the Democrats from taking the presidency. Right kids?!

You can do your lesser evil shit all you want, that candidate won’t change the future of America any further than a Republican can undo it in 4-6 years. Real change isn’t this pretend, small-game shit. Democrats have won time and time again since Bush Sr, and we’ve had war after war after war with bipartisan support for laws that give less than they take for the benefit of billionares. The current Democratic party isn’t a separate choice, it’s a choice to lock Republican rhetoric in a box until they inevitably get out again. Your party is no more effective at ridding the world of fascism than Ash Ketchum is at defeating Team Rocket. Maybe we all need a firm reminder that Trump and Bush didn’t actually win their elections, yet were calmly allowed to move right on in anyway. Who opened the door? Biden opened one of them, and he had six months of Presidential immunity leading up to it. Hillary was pushing spyware campaigns, Obama was drone-striking and Bernie wants Ai in your 401k. Who do they work for? You? Doesn’t sound like it.


Vote blue no matter who! Fix everything!

Literally incapable of not strawmanning

Well, how the fuck else do you portray those people?




How’s winning over those voters your party lost last election going?

Look around! Clearly everyone made the right decision!

And i’ll tell ya this for nothin’ - they’ll do it again! Yeah! And get all this glorious fascism for free. Enjoy!




long as the humidity is low, higher temps can be quite comfortable. used to keep mine at 80 til my visiting folks started futzing with the thermostat. 77-78 is a good compromise

Yeah, I live in a swamp. Dehumidification is the real miracle of ac.



“Mamdani wants you to diiieee! It’s another genocidal socialist maniac! Feeeaaar!”

Official federal policy.


The same Government of Putin shitheads who killed the energy efficient heat pump incentives.


78 during day is my standard. You let your body acclimate to the warm weather. Then when you go out and about in it you don’t feel like you’re about to die.

76 at night. Set to get that low by 10pm.

We keep our AC at a constant 76 and use fans.

Same here. 76° & Ceiling fans mostly.

I’m in an older place without ceiling fans.

I have also found that a fan pointed at the ceiling can give you that nice breeze effect of a ceiling fan.




How old are you? 50?



The Republican Party is notoriously friendly to women’s health

The fuck?

Clearly that’s snark.


They dropped their /s

For fucks sake do you really need one?

At this point, unfortunately yes. Even if it’s only to stop dog whistling being hidden behind “it was only a joke” or “it was obviously sarcastic”.

It also helps non native English speakers.

Nah. Fuck that. You sacrifice nuance, complexity, bandwidth, and depth of communication? That’s everything the fascists want.

It’s akin to clear cutting the forest around a castle. We lose something, but it helps draw a line in the sand. At this point, we need some sort of defence line.

I reserve the right to believe what people say. I also reserve the right to not roll that back when they say it was “just a joke”.

Yes. Defend yourself from fascism not by immersing yourself in humanity, not with defense in depth, not with a robust diligently humanized intellect, not with art and philosophy, not with deeper knowledge and complexity and communication, not by becoming something they cannot understand predict or fight, but with the shallow aesthetics and quick reactions they’ve been pushing on us since the 30s! Death to the enemy! Exterminate them! That’ll fix everything!







Read it again. Does anything stand out?



We keep ours at 80°F unless there is a breeze, in which case we just use our ceiling fans and open everything. It gets a little uncomfortable, but if we remember to stay hydrated and eat less, then it’s all good.


Nevermind I’m dumb


So I don’t get chewed out: obviously energy conservation is important and obviously taking these pages down is a bad thing. That said all this government telling me to be hot for the greater good pisses me off when no ones been arrested from the Epstein files and we aren’t taxing the rich and were still building data centers.

To me this feels like someone telling me climate change is my fault because I threw out a water bottle or drive an ICE vehicle. Like ya someday I’ll get an electric car and I should have recycled the bottle but wtf. So many larger more massive issues with energy conservation at larger scales than me running the AC at 70.

It doesn’t even have to be about climate change. It’s also about balancing the electrical load of everyone in NYC blasting their AC at once. So they don’t have brown and blackouts

A lot of the people making these decisions are also not individual people but building managers for corporations and other businesses.

IMO the reason the feds issue most these kinds of guidances is so managers can point at them and say “I’m just following best practice, don’t yell at me”

Another solid point I can appreciate that.



I get this, a solid point esp in high demand areas.



I made the switch from ICE to EV a couple months ago, and it wasn’t really even about climate change. It’s just cheaper and more convenient in terms of fueling, and there’s far less maintenance to keep on top of. It just no longer makes sense to choose ICE (usually) if you already need a new vehicle, can charge at home, and don’t drive more than like 200 miles per day. I just did a road trip in it last month and it really only made the journey maybe 5-10% longer than if I used an ICE vehicle since we needed to stop for food and bathrooms anyway.

Recycling plastic is almost completely a lie. Very few recycling plants can recycle your water bottle, and it’s incredibly wasteful and costly even if they can. The better choice is to not buy plastic water bottles in the first place, and if you do then reuse them several times, but also you’re just a drop in the bucket compared to industries’ waterfalls, so don’t beat yourself up about it when you’re not perfect.


lol his advice is like the most standard advice anywhere in the world. A NYC mayor giving advice isnt the government trying to control your life. Calm your paranoid fascist brain cells down.

I have a pretty long history here of not being a fascist and this overuse of the word over something trivial is why its lost its meaning.



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heatwave

Or ‘heat wave’, if you write English and lament the wordjoining thekids aredoing.


This is bad, and I’ve had to deal with the stupid: they deleted the latest FCC page on DNS for small business owners which explained SPF, DKIM, and DMARC, and why they’re necessary. But they left the old version from 2019. Fucking idiocy.

This administration is bad and stupid. I hate it.


Right wingers don’t deserve internet access

Right wingers don’t deserve to live.

Agreed. Plague on society




Genetic fallacy taken its logical extreme. Mamdani should express how much he loves breathing and watch as the right stops breathing out of spite

“I love not setting myself on fire and not drinking arsenic” - Mamdani 😁




It follows Republican outrage over Mamdani offering the same heatwave advice as everyone else.

Honestly it is pretty outageous when so many companies are just wasting power.


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