PieFedAI policy for contributions to PieFed
Rimu
https://codeberg.org/rimu/pyfedi/src/branch/main/docs/project_management/contributing.md#ai-policy
This project does not allow contributions generated by large languages models (LLMs). We are taking these steps due to:
- The potential negative influence of AI generated content on quality, developer alienation from their code and skill rot.
- Legal complications such as the inability to claim copyright and ensure others’ licensing and copyright have not been violated.
- Ethical concerns including but not limited to those regarding intellectual property theft, environmental impact, the effect on already-marginalized groups, devaluing labor for the purpose of concentrating power among the billionaire class, etc.
This ban of AI generated content applies to all parts of the project, including, but not limited to, code, documentation, issues, and artworks. An exception applies for translating texts for issues, discussions, and their comments to English.
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INeedManaI guess, in context of this community, pinning this might be a good idea
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Why is it allowed for translation? Take a stance or don’t, but it just seems really weird to say ABSOLUTELY NO LLMs (except for sometimes)
DasusI can find tons of people who can drawn and make music.
I don’t know even a single person who could translate Finnish to, idk, Welsh. Ik those people exist, but there is about 50-200 in the world. Of 8 billion people.
You’re definitely not taking someone’s job or stealing IP when translating, and the model doesn’t need to have been fed any stolen art. It doesn’t need to be conversational, it just needs to translate text roughly.
This policy is fairly narrowly focused on LLMs used to generate code that is contributed to PieFed.
There are many ways to use LLMs which are not covered by this policy because it’s either not enforceable or none of my business or the benefit vs damage equation comes out differently. People are going to have to make up their own minds about those.
Translation is one of the things that LLMs and other deep learning models are actually pretty good at and has been at the core of just about every mainstream translation engine for years now (since before ChatGPT and the “AI” bubble was a thing - 2020 for Google Translate as an example).
This is an area where the technology could help us, the developers, communicate with users and other potential developers. There are multiple contributions and features that have been added to PieFed that have come from non-English speakers already. Some examples would be allowing things like furigana (ruby) notation in markdown and making post slugs nicer in some non-English laguages. Being able to communicate those kinds of issues to us and even work collaboratively on fixes is worth it in our opinion to allow for machine-assisted translation.
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Previously, when AI-related discussions came up, I was using AI to translate my posts into English. I was concerned about becoming a target because of that, so I ended up closing all my issues and stopped participating in the chat.
It helps a lot that translation into English has now been explicitly allowed as an exception.
Out of curiosity, are non-AI tools like translate.google.com insufficient for your needs?
Edit: never mind. Apparently, Google translate uses Google‘s internally developed LLMs since 2020. :/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Translate#Neural_machine_translation
Yeah, that’s definitely part of their internally developed LLM. I remember reading about Google developing this when I was in design school. I just didn’t know that Google translate was using it, too, but I suppose I should’ve known.
Thanks for posting this.
I use Google Translate when reading, but I still feel that Japanese translations are not always perfect.
For writing, I usually translate with ChatGPT, then check it again by retranslating into Japanese with DeepL, and pick the version that feels the most natural.
When I am translating from Japanese, I find that DeepL is the most consistently understandable and accurate. I have copy/pasted many an article from Comic Natalie into translators to compare with what Anime News Network writes, and that is my experience.
As someone that has English as second language, but Japanese not as my third, I like how grok AI translation works. Although confirming it with English speaking Japanese acquaintance they say while it is generally slightly better than google translate or deepL it is still wrong in a few ways often enough.
I say grok because there’s still a lot of Japanese artists (singing and drawing) and vtubers that still use twitter. It annoys me greatly but I understand why they still stay on Twitter for the audience, but especially for the drawing artists I don’t fully understand (or refuse to accept), twitter has repeatedly say they WILL steal their artwork to train grok.
If they jumped ship to misskey or something with a big Japanese audience on fediverse, I’d make it my mission to understand the micro blogging section of the fediverse lol
I’m more of a topic follower rather than people follower on fediverse so Lemmy, piefed, mbin is still my preferred home
I don’t particularly like ChatGPT. I tend to favor Claude just because it’s far less obsequious and tends to give a bit more pushback and is more critical.
I also like the structure of it answers a bit more. Maybe it’s just a matter of taste, but I really don’t trust an LLM model that keeps kissing my ass so much.
Thank you for keeping this slop free.
@rimu BRAVISSIMO! Go Rimu and PieFed! This is the way 🙌
#NoAI
Thank you for the clear words. This reassures me to keep using and working on PieFed.
Happy to see this.
kvetching over negativity
Wish it got as many upvotes as the “AI did a bad thing/is invading everything” headlines, but alas, good news hacks your brain to engage far less than something you’re mad at.
“Intellectual property theft” isn’t a thing. The correct terms are “copyright infringement” or “trademark infringement” or “plagiarism” or something like that, and you should be specific about which you’re talking about.
I would suggest that “intellectual property theft” is a catchall for copyright and trademark infringement, but not for plagiarism. Because plagiarism is an academic concern, not a legal one or one related to IP.
Good call
How will this be enforced?
Thanks. I will give my peanut gallery perspective. This is a social software and its good its made by people. Its good enough as it is now and it will be great if it gets better but there is no urgent timeline to do so. Its better the improvements be things people like so much that someone wants to get it working. I think of it like a club. You can be a member and show up and have fun but you can volunteer for setup and such and that can be fun in its own way and you can become part of the leadership or start your own or whatever. This is not a corporation that needs to make profits. It should happen in a cummunal human like way.
Glad to see this, thank you and everyone for your hard work!
That’s really cool, and thanks for taking the communities input on this!
@rimu PieFed is an #AIFree projectmastodon.online/@mastodonmigra
Ahhh more unenforceable prejudice. I’m sure that’s going to keep the project strong.