PieFedJust a gentle reminder that we need to work on this at some point...
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Honestly, this is a major weakness of Lemmy. The OP of a thread can destroy a lot of content by other people, and they often do. I really don’t get the reasoning behind allowing them that power.
I figure it is simply negligence in that implementation of any kind of solution would take effort. PieFed is too new to have gotten around to it yet, Lemmy seems to want to rather spend time on moderating instances than on code development, and hardly anybody uses Mbin so I don’t know its stance on the topic.
I’m betting that six months from now very little if anything will have changed in this regard. Just like the previous six months, the six months before that, the six months before that, and so on. (But if I can say this without getting banned from this community, if something does happen to change this, it will be on PieFed.)
Rimu
I think they made deleted posts visible in Lemmy 1.0.
I’ve just done it in PieFed 1.4.3, released now.
mesa
x00zIn Europe you own almost all of the data you post online.
This is about data posted by other people, though.
It’s up to Lemmy to safeguard that, not the OP.
Reddit changes the stuff to [Deleted] or something like that.
It’s up to Lemmy to safeguard that, not the OP.
Uhm, yes? The discussion was never about anything else?
Reddit changes the stuff to [Deleted] or something like that.
I know, and I think that’s preferable. Gives the OP a way to delete their own stuff while not destroying arbitrary amounts of other people’s conversations and arguments.
If a question is deleted for seemingly no reason on asklemmy, after people have provided quality answers and the comment field is reasonably healthy, I usually issue a ban. It’s technically not against the rules, but it is very much against the spirit of the board, and it’s not fair towards the ones who took their time to answer.
Admiral PatrickMore often than not: “OP deletes account and content, haha suckers”
We thought we could build a better Reddit, practically for free. Now we are all 2.5 years older, but are we any wiser?
no, because we keep falling into the same stupid pitfalls like last time.
We do at least have the advantage of editing titles.
And gained a modlog, though we’ve lost the modmail and the ability to be notified when a mod (or admin) performs an action like remove/lock something or even upon being banned (people discover that months to years later:-).
Well, fuck spez, I’m not going back… I just wish we’d catch up a bit quicker. Probably my expectations were way off on how soon that could happen.
At least, until PieFed 😁😉
Images of text break much that text alternatives do not. Contrary to age & humble appearance, text is an advanced technology that provides all these capabilities absent from images.Post needs accessibility.
Losses due to image of text lacking alternative:
- usability
- we can’t quote the text without pointless bullshit like retyping it or OCR
- text search is unavailable
- the system can’t
- reflow text to varied screen sizes
- vary presentation (size, contrast)
- vary modality (audio, braille)
- accessibility
- lacks semantic structure (tags for titles, heading levels, sections, paragraphs, lists, emphasis, code, links, accessibility features, etc)
- some users can’t read the image due to lack of *alt text* (markdown image description)
- users can’t adapt the text for dyslexia or vision impairments
- systems can’t read the text to them or send it to braille devices
- searchability: the “text” isn’t indexable by search engine in a meaningful way
- fault tolerance: no text fallback if
- image breaks
- image host is geoblocked due to insane regulations.
Looks like social media done right.
😄
Are there really that many blind (or perhaps low-sighted?) people surfing specifically memes communities though?
Accessibility is definitely difficult, e.g. it is really hard for someone without specialized tools to even so much as see that accessibility text in the first place (even in Firefox, though I mean on mobile Android).
And looking at several previous post to this community (moving to my desktop where I can actually see it, even though I’ve been sitting at work all day now and would rather look at little screen to relax than continue with big screen for longer…:-P), it looks like most people are simply putting the titles into the Accessibility text.
So what is your argument for any added value that offers, for someone to see simply the single word “Austria!” or the phrase “I will miss him dearly”, but cannot see the rest of the post? Like the latter was a cat being exchanged for RAM, poking fun at the high prices that computer memory has risen to lately… absolutely none of which is conveyed by that short snippet of alternative text - how is that “right” to have that, while what I did was therefore by implication “wrong”?
Are there really that many blind (or perhaps low-sighted?) people surfing specifically memes communities though?
If you neglect the matter, then you’ll ensure the systemic discriminatory exclusion here continues.
Mastodon & other social media platforms regularly set alt text.
Accessibility is definitely difficult
It ain’t: you already have the text.
Set it.
it is really hard for someone without specialized tools to even so much as see that accessibility text
It isn’t.
Pretty much every OS nowadays has it built in so it can be enabled.
Boldly claiming otherwise indicates ignorance.
Instead of proclaiming untrue assumptions as fact, it’d be better to admit your inexperience & ignorance on these matters and address that: I seriously doubt you tried.
And looking at several previous post to this community
Bad example to follow.
So what is your argument for any added value that offers
Accessibility adds value to everyone: introduction.
That ableism is wrong & we can address it as was indicated shouldn’t be hard arguments to figure out.
So what is your argument for any added value that offers, for someone to see simply the single word
Straw man: not suggested at all, which you would know if you followed the accessibility link that was provided.
I mean, I invited you into a conversation to learn, but if you are going to ignore most of what I wrote and rather simply assume then I doubt I will learn much. e.g. I specifically said that I am using Firefox on Android, but the provided link has zero matches to either keyword (of “Firefox” or “Android"). Of course I’m ignorant, I specifically said so, and now after reading your reply I somehow know even less. All I took from that was how superior you think you are.
Even better, replace original postwith gibberish so no one knows the context.
FiniteBanjoIn all fairness something they didn’t do was answer the damn question.
It is done, announcement to follow.
Now I need to work on a meme (that somehow won’t get me banned from Fediverse memes) like “typical response time for PieFed feature request: 16 minutes”.
Haha. This one has been brewing for a while, @hendrik@palaver.p3x.de started pushing for it almost a year ago.
Good things brewing takes time to percolate, for sure… :-)
I mod !fedimemes@feddit.uk , this type of threads tend to spiral into Piefed vs Lemmy endless debates.
Maybe !piefed_promo@piefed.social is a more fitted place
Agreed, for something that specific to PieFed.:-)
I mean, if I accidentally wrote something that gives away my location (maybe a discussion topic about bars and I mention my local bar Barname is super great?) I want to be able to have that GONE instead of kept alive in the name of discussion and keeping content. I am sure you can think of multiple cases where actually getting rid of some content would be useful. Is there a solution that allows for both? Would editing over my comment, as a comment below mentions, work? Typical deletion allows recovery, but editing over lets me obscure my accidental self-dox?
Edit the part you fucked up out. Why delete the whole thread?
Always assume that anything you put up on the internet will be there forever. Just because you deleted it doesn’t mean it hasn’t already been copied hundreds of times a minute after being posted (IE like how federation works; delete requests are not always respected). You really can’t put the genie back in the bottle, most of the time.
Delete whole thread specifically because I imagine that is two layers to check through, you both have to find the deleted post and then its edit history, instead of just edit history. The whole principle of “a determined thief could probably break into anywhere, but they’ll probably pick the low-effort unlocked house and skip over the one with a security camera, two dogs, and a tall wire fence,” just make it harder and more inconvenient to find the post content. (I do say this not being 100% aware of how the code behind the Fediverse works, nor if we have something similar to the Reddit undeleter sites yet. Also do not know if the Reddit undeleter sites recovered old versions of posts before edits.)
I usually do make the assumption anything on the internet is for forever, but I also think we’re well aware that sometimes people make mistakes, and sometimes people realize only after they commit the mistake. I am not so sure just saying “well the internet is forever, just give up” is the smart decision here. I’d prefer losing an online discussion over someone self-doxxing and being unable to take it down.
In general, I also use deletion because sometimes I’ll type out a reply I think is nice and measured, but then I think of if the other person is going to be okay with me trying to politely disagree or if I’ll get a much more harshly-worded reply full of insults in return. I end up deleting to avoid the conflict and misery. I can understand why people would want to access the discussion, especially since I’m pretty sure I still stand by what I said in those but just took it back to save myself “fuck you!!!” in my inbox, or worse a lovely logical disagreeing response… with a bunch of namecalling surprise at the end. I’m not sure I’d be able to keep calm and report instead of sending back a whole thing on how that wasn’t very nice and how heartbreaking it is that I was engaging in good faith (and not just pretending to and using that as a cover, not sealioning) and got responded to as if I was being much nastier, what happened to kindness and civility and educating people you think are wrong instead of hating on them immediately… (and then I delete it because I realize how bad it looks and that it’d only invite more vitriol.)
No, this has not happened to me yet, especially because most of my opinions fall in line with the Fediverse at large. I have not posted transphobia and rightfully gotten bashed for it and then end up crying about why people are so mean to me when I just said the T slur. But I have seen enough unkind replies like this to a person not being nasty or bigoted that I do fear it. Even now I kind of want to delete because I’m worried you’ll say “well just then block em lol, grow up” (yes, I would, but obviously being told the nasty things meriting a block in the first place does not feel good) and a bunch of “toughen up you snowflake” type things to me. In real life, I have not really had people be nasty to me and I have continued expectations that people will continue to treat me in a way that does not involve hostility, so of course I do not have high defenses for that.
Funnily enough this only happens with typed words. In real life I think I only ever said something I wanted to take back once in elementary, but I have also encountered a much smaller number of belligerent people who I think would swear at me in real life than I have online.
What I personally would like to see, and which PieFed now offers (though it did not at the time I made this meme, an entire day and a half ago! 😂) is for people to own their own content.
So in that case, yes you could blank out your own words, and choosing to delete the content would do that for you automatically, in both the title and text and any links associated with the post.
However, the responders would likewise have the ability to own their own words as well. So you as the OP wouldn’t get the power to delete other people’s words.
If someone doxxed you though, that already is covered under existing rules - you would just file a report on the content in question. They don’t have the right to do that, even if you were the one who did it first.
And that is all that you, as a general purpose user, could accomplish… at least on your own. Then mods and admins have higher privileges, so in such a case where deletion of your own words is considered to be insufficient, and the other parties are unresponsive to requests to delete their responses to you (or among one another) then you would want to request from mods that they, acting on your behalf but under their own discretion and authority, arbitrate that disagreement in favor of deletion of the full post, or maybe deletion of a handpicked subset of the answers would be sufficient.
And this is already how it works now (again, I mean here the “now now”, not the “then now” when I started this post) - I think users can only delete their own content, whereas mods have the choice to either remove the post or else entirely delete it.
Of course, if someone were to save the original doxing material on their own - by saving a screenshot, submitting to an archive service, printing to a PDF, copying and pasting, etc. - then there is only so much that PieFed could do in such a case. Chiefly in helping to avoid spreading it further.
Hey, thanks for explaining! Not new to the Fediverse, but new to PieFed. I agree with your philosophy: own your own content.