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‘Repatriate the gold’: German economists advise withdrawal from US vaults
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Shift in relations and unpredictability of Donald Trump make it ‘risky to store so much gold in the US’, say experts
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NotsoDear Friedrich:
Considering your Country decided not to join my Great Board of Peace, the greatest Global institition for Peace ever, I no longer feel any obligation to hand over your gold reserves, which by the way would look much better in my Ballroom anyway, which will be the most prestigious and BIGGEST Ballroom there ever was in History.
Germany cannot protect that Gold from Russia or China and there are no written documents, it’s only that some guy with a funny accent delivered some gold a while ago and we kept it so why do you have a “right of ownership” anyway?
I have done more for Gold than any other person since it was invented, like thousands of years ago, and now, GOLD should do something for me.
Thank you for your attention to this matter!
President DJT
I want to see him try that. The moment he puts his filthy hands on someone else’s gold, the dollar will collapse. No ifs, no buts, the moment he tries to steal part of the gold he has stored there, everyone will want their gold back and, while at it, they’ll cash any bonds they have.
If you can’t trust that country to mantain such important agreements, you can’t trust it with anything. He’ll bankrupt the country in no time.
it is hard to find now because of this storey but I swear there was a story about a decade ago that the US did not allow Germany to see their gold.
They asked, and were refused, in 2012 according to this article: https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/germany-gold-reserves-us-storage-repatriation-concerns-13878824.html
Heck, it wasn’t even a Republican government at the time. That gold is gone.
Yes…but that obese child rapist is a narcissistic imbecile who can’t understand the basics. Plus he is probably too far gone with dementia to understand even if he wanted to.
The regime’s been hinting at wanting to change the gold price to try and help the freefalling debt crisis…
They can (legally) simply revalue the gold in stock by declaring it to have a new arbitrary value, but hold a provision for international customers and declare they did not deposit in weight value but in gold value at the date of entry… which will rob them of any of the current price increase… So trump will tell Germany “you deposited $30 million before 1970, you get $30 million back from us now.”
You seem to be under the impression he care’s about America or it’s economy.
He only cares about appearances. If they have an opening where they can spin it to a positive, they will take all the gold.
That would blow up the world financial system, like actually. Not to say he wouldn’t do it but that the consequences of doing so would be World historical in nature. I think he already borked European alliance. Greenland was a step too far and now they’re serious about decoupling, and not to slowly either
EU itself has already done something similar to Russia, it’s not some unthinkable act. I don’t think it would be any more “world historical” from Trump then threatening to annex Greenland. It would be a shitshow for sure, though.
Can you please provide clarification and souce of your claims around EU and Russia.
EU froze (i.e. refuses to return) over 200 billion euro of various russian assets. They are also considering “appropriating” it (i.e. spend it however they wish). Wiki article has some details about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confiscation_of_Russian_central_bank_funds
Is the USA collapsing in real time? Serious question. Denmark dumped treasury bonds, and then a Swedish pension fun dumped a billion of them, now the former research head of Germany Central Bank is saying physically move the gold to Germany
Pretty much, yes. But don’t worry, it’s not like Trump passed massive tax cuts in his last term that have left the US over leveraged with >100% of GDP in debt and a $1.6T deficit or anything that leaves the US particularly vulnerable to bond sell offs.
What’s that? Oh. Well at least there isn’t some sort of financial bubble waiting to burst and take the economy with it at the same time.
Sorry, hang on a second, just getting some news through… Oh. Oh dear. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted. Well, it was sort of OK for bits of it anyway.
By the time it actually happens there might be a democrat in charge again who can get all the blame…
LemmyoutofhereBold of you to assume there will be future elections.
You don’t even have to reference an article from a year ands half ago.
He literally suggested last week that he would cancel the midterms.
That actually looks like a Speedrun to it honestly.
entropicdriftSeriously. Took Rome over a hundred years to have their Republic fall from when it started tumbling. We’ll be lucky if it takes us 2 decades
Swedish pension fun
I was in a band by that name. Mostly ABBA covers and very angry punk.
AnUnusualRelicI think I saw a movie with that title a long time ago.
Don’t forget about China selling their US bonds off, not too long ago, in what was a “yippy” move from the market.
Denmark
Fortunately for the US, only one small Danish pension fund. Not the whole country. But one can guess that despite the event being small, people aren’t currently clawing to have US treasury bonds anywhere.
The gold was kept in New York because of fears it might be seized by the Soviet Union during the Cold War. I guess Russia is not as problematic now as the former ally.
I think its mostly that Russia has proved its just not a major threat. Yes Ukraine is getting weapons and funding from many other countries but the fact is if Russia had a fraction of the power we thought they did for a long time the qar would have been over before the aid even made it to the country.
Also the Soviet Union during the Cold War was much closer than Russia is today. Part of Germany was under Soviet control, and the Western capitol was Bonn, several hundred kilometers from the border. Modern Russia is a bit further than that, with a whole county between them.
A_norny_mousseHuh, TIL that Germany has such a big gold reserve - 75+% - and stores half of it abroad. Most of that half in the US 🤦
The Eurozone’s gold reserves are much larger btw.
HAHAHA they still think its there. Wasn’t it about a decade ago Germany wanted to see it and America said no.
What gold ?
Good idea, but might have to come in like France did in 1971 (they rolled up to NY harbor in a destroyer). For some reason I don’t think it’ll work like it worked for de Gaulle.
explodicleWTF happened in 1971‽‽
Nixon fucked the world through the dollar.
In short, the world is paying the US to fuck around, since Bretton Woods replaced gold with the the USD, meaning that the US gets unlimited money while they get to spread their inflationary pressure around the world.
Charles de Gaulle, president of France at the time wasn’t as stupid as most world leaders, and ended up preserving at least some semblance of fiscal independence by smuggling the French gold back from the US.
One way of looking at it is that we literally cannot afford war. I mean moneywise. Nixon removed the dollar from the gold standard in order to finance the Vietnam war, which the US lost in the military sense but won in the sense of the military industry making a whole lot of money. Literally more money than was even possible.
Well I’m sure the dollop of fermented meat in charge won’t try something as someone takes back his favourite coloured metal
Everyone should do this. Trump has sticky fingers, and it is inevitable for them to wander to places unwanted.
wonderingwandererTrump hid it particularly well. He melted down the gold bars to hang them as picture frames and other knick-knacks in the new ballroom. Thank you, Donald, for hiding the German gold so safely.
I hope there is some of Germany’s gold left. If not, at least grab a wall sconce on your way out.
I wish the process of repatriating the gold would have been discreetly started already. Now, it might lead to a crisis straight away, since obviously Trump would not just let go of it.
What’s the reason their gold is in US vaults in the first place?
Riddick3001Spread of risk was probably the reason. It is supposed to be the best secured place/ vault in the world. But since the Orange menace…nothing is.
trollercoasterAs /u/HowRu68@lemmy.world said, spreading the risk. During the Cold War, there was a real risk of West Germany being overrun within a week in case of an all-out Soviet invasion. In order to prevent all of the gold reserves being lost in that case, Germany chose to store significant parts of it abroad.
Right the gold is mostly in the Federal Reserve in New York. The big advantage of that is, that it is easy to both buy and sell gold from there. Basically the only thing they do, is to change the label and it is done. That is especially true, since it can be easily sold for US dollars, which still is the most important currency in the world.
However I would not be surprised, if a lot of potential buyers, prefer their gold to be in a large vault in Frankfurt over one in New York.
driving_croonerA lot of countries have gold reserves on the US, on the same place.
JensSpahnpastaThat’s one of those things the US profits from on which is getting destroyed by Trump. It’s a great thing to have other countries conducting their trade with their gold reserves in your currency in your country. Trump is destroying exactly that trust that enabled that and if trust is gone, it’s hard to reestablish again
FoniIs this a joke? Does anyone realistically believe that gold will ever set foot on European soil again?
RidderSportHaving the US be forced to admit that the gold isn’t there anymore would be even better. That is basically card blanche of leverage. Germany could single handedly strong arm the US into whatever they want lest the US wishes to risk a total collapse of their finances
Smartass mode on: “again” isn’t quite right, because the gold was never in Germany/Europe. It has been in the US since the beginning and has never been anywhere else.
gandalf_der_12tewhy not?
If by any chance they haven’t spent it all and part of the gold still exists—which is really doubtful—I think they would have to go in there with tanks to be able to get it out, and this is not a Trump-related issue; it has been known for decades that the most likely scenario is that the gold is no longer there.
acargitz
mercI smell a heist movie.
Ja! A German ”Ocean’s Eleven” starring Rolf from Düsseldorf! I’d be first in line to see that one
Trump: “Which gold?”
I distinctly remember him and Elon laughing about pillaging Fort Knox shortly after the inauguration. Ever since I’ve been like: guys… has anyone checked up on fort knox recently? Does anyone even care? Guys? Did people forget? Someone should have them check if the gold is still there, guys..
tired_n_bored
Don Antonio MaginoOh yes! Let’s repatriate the gold stolen from the African, Asian and Latin American colonies too, while we’re at it.
You’ve been GEKOLONISEERD, Europe.
CorrectAliasI swear I’ve seen this article a bunch of times before. I think it’s time to block cm0002
the article didn’t explain why their gold is in NY in the first place, liquidity? cuz pretty sure Germany can build their own vaults
It never was all German gold. It was just a very huge chunk of it, stored in a safe place in case the Soviet Union overran Germany. In case of a Soviet attack, Germany was considered lost ground and the first major line of defense was the river Rhine (the Western border of the country), meaning a German government in exile would have lost its gold stored in the country.
I think it’s due to historic risk management - even 50 years ago Germany was far from settled and secured compared to the US economically or politically. Many other countries were similar and didn’t take seriously the seismic risk changes of the past few decades. Now they are.
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Assuming they didn’t already melt it down to plate every surface inside the white house because Donnie is tacky as fuck
I read an article not long ago that most of that decor is dollar store stuff spraypainted gold. I don’t know, obvs. but I suspect any actual gold formerly held by the USA has been repatriated somewhere like Switzerland or such.
This should have happened decades ago.
Why would Germany store their gold in the US, in the first place?
This little thing that happened called WWII.
Fort Knox is a literal fortress
More than that it comes with a military base.
Fort Knox, Kentucky Mission & Units
There is a diverse collection of missions and units at Fort Knox, and the base neighbors the U.S. Treasury Kentucky Depository. Fort Knox is home to the Army Human Resource Center of Excellence, which is responsible for career management for all soldiers.
Important Fort Knox units include Accessions Command, Human Resources Command, Army Recruiting Command and Army Cadet Command.
Btw 16th cav is a tank division. Bradley and Abrams.
Ummmmm. I hate to tell you folks something about that gold…