PieFedI searched `CachyOS vs Fedora` on YouTube and all I found was AI Slop đ
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai
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When you play either of these videos itâs just a AI voice talking over someone just clicking around. The scripts are also so similar.
The internet is dying.
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Shoutout to blocktube: https://github.com/amitbl/blocktube
Usually, the same âfewâ slop channels dominate a specific topic, so add them to a blocklist and the filtering gets reasonably good.
Itâs absolutely insane that YouTube doesnât allow this as a native feature.
Th4tGuyIIHonestly, seeing a stock photo guy or woman in a thumbnail nowadays screams AI-generated content. I stay away from those at all costs to prevent YouTube deciding to recommend me more
cRazi_manYouTube is like Imgur, itâs a media dump. Most of it is trash. If youâre going directly to YouTube.com or from any place other than community link recommendations or to your known curated channels; then it is no surprise that you come across shit 90% of the time.
The fact that their search function fails to find relevant guides or tutorials is a real loss, but theyâve opted to enshittify.
gndagrebornAn advertisement company built off the work of a search engine canât get search right on arguably their biggest app. Baffling.
Their search has been shit for a long time. It has helped other search engines though. My brothers resisted leaving Google because they found the search quality was best. Now itâs shit enough for them to consider that DDG does just as good a job.
Allowing their search and video platform to get flooded by AI is insane, but theyâre fully committed because theyâre chasing their own AI agenda so they canât really stand against AI. Amazon has done the same by allowing their platform to be flooded with cheap, useless, generic products and fake reviews. The real baffling thing is why people still keep using (and even worshipping) these asshole companies.
You have a misunderstanding of what âget search rightâ means. For Googleâs profits, the search is exactly the way they want it to be. They donât give a shit whether itâs actually useful to you or not.
DiplomjodlerThere are plenty of quality channels out there. Maybe it takes a bit longer to find them but itâs possible.
Any you can recommend to help me with my comparison?
Explaining Computers and The Linux Experiment are among my favourites.
I was going to recomend Explaining Computers. Been watching him for years. Also, for more linux stuff, @LearnLinuxTV is another good channel.
rozodruTheBlackDon, laustoic, breadonpenguins, or if you REALLY want a good breakdown between distros I highly recommend SuperUser Tech. He pretty much goes through a lot of distros from the perspective of someone new to Linux and his videos are very thorough.
TonyBTW is great when youâre looking to setup whatever distro you pick. heâs pretty much done them all. Veronica Explains is also good for other various Linux stuff and setups. and if you ever go down the path of NixOS then Vimjoyer is a must subscribe to learn that distro.
massive_bereavementI want to believe that using invidious-based frontends tend to circumvent the perfidious google method to position first those that pay for positioning.
It doesnât matter what topic you search⌠thatâs all YouTube recommendations are anymore.
YouTube is still decent if you can ignore their recommendations. I use other apps (Pipepipe, Grayjay) and my feed is just the creators I want. No ads, no slop, no nonsense. Itâs like YouTube was 20 years ago.
Yep I use that too,back to the good old days! Internet was so good then.
Ublock huge blocklist, private DNS, and VPN are essential to me using the internet today.
Hard to believe not everyone on the internet does this. Its like they enjoy slop. Then again people still use x so..thereâs not really hope for humanity lol
Imho, the rolling VS point release, desktop environement and X11/Wayland has much more impact than âthe distroâ choice
Stick with a more popular and try different desktop environnements
Mwai hate how i cant tell its AI
I was ~6min into the first video when I thought Hey is this AI? went back and saw yea fuck all of these are AI -_-
Itâs annoying because there are legit content creators like https://www.youtube.com/@LogicallyAnswered
Who arenât AI but they look and feel like AI so people accuse them of being AI
I was listening to some Warren Buffett and Richard Feynman videos and it turns out they were AI. I was like, oh I hadnât heard this lecture before âŚ
I really hate it. Thereâs a rage bait one that I tried to report that claimed these influencers would climb Everest and die because they were too busy taking selfies and stuff. Like full on 20 minute episodes. People were saying how thereâs no record of any of these people in the comments and it annoys me.
Iâm going to only watch videos where I can see the person now but Iâve seen videos of people using a damned good AI filter on top. An Indian guy put on a blonde white girl overlay and it was really good.
sidebroThere are ublock lists which block lots of ai content from loading,maybe look into that
Soon weâll need uAllow, only open what is on safe lists
Thatâs pretty much NoScript or uBlockâs âhard mode.â
I prefer âmedium modeâ, but ublock hides it behind a few somewhat cryptic steps:
https://github.com/gorhill/ublock/wiki/Blocking-mode:-medium-mode
donât think thereâs any public list of AI slop youtube channels, or that kinda crowd sourced youtube channel blocklist system. the ublock lists usually block a specific website.
Youâre right, I looked into a few lists and they were mostly for domains and search results.
I only mentioned it because I remembered seeing them, but didnât look at them more closely until now.
BeatTakeshiIf AI was so smart they would use a girl with ponytails and high socks in linux videos
Lee DunaI always access youtube through GrayJay, PipePipe or FreeTube, and rarely see these random AI slop recommendations.
RenatWhich of these 3 do you recommend?
ValmondWeâre they wrong?
I couldnât care less if not. Low cost accurate documentation sounds fantastic.
How do you know itâs accurate? Have you verified it?
Nope. How do you know someone not using AI for voice overs is accurate. Whatâs the difference?
The person behind a slop channel will have a tendency to not verify their facts or have updated information on the topic in the first place thus more likely of having misguided information. And not to speak how an LLM spits out very generic shit even if you prompt it to go in depth.
For a real channel, I can hold the person accountable and responsible for spreading misinformation or help them expand their knowledge. The creator, using that feedback, can make corrections and improve their fact checking and quality control over their content. How do you hold a slop channel accountable whose sole purpose is to generate videos for ad revenue in the short term? That slop channel will not even respond to the comments.
The person behind a slop channel will have a tendency to not verify their facts or have updated information
Horse shit. There is garbage both human and LLM generated. You donât have any data on this. Pirr unadulterated prejudice..
For a real channel, I can hold the person accountable and responsible for spreading misinformation or help them expand their knowledge
No you canât. You can block them and move on. Or report them. Same options.
How do you hold a slop channel accountable whose sole purpose is to generate videos for ad revenue in the short term? That slop channel will not even respond to the comments.
You believe comments had any effect on a creator just out for a cash grab?
Youâve laid out entirely a one sided weak argument ignoring the enablement. God forbid someone who knows Linux but doesnât have video production skills or a shitty voice generate audio based on a script.
wizardbeardCash grab creators are cash grab creators. Shit will be shit. I would argue that AI makes it a considerable order of magnitude easier to churn out garbage, which makes it a matter of scale.
Itâs like fake nudes. Back in the days of film photography you could still make fake nudes by physically cutting anf pasting images together. It was considerably more work and low quality. Now you can generate much higher quality fake nudes far far faster, even faking different angles and facial expressions from the input.
That inarguably changes things.
God forbid someone who knows Linux but doesnât have video production skills or a shitty voice generate audio based on a script.
There are tons of alternative options besides using AI to generate voiceover. Thereâs the tried and true âput text on the screenâ, even just by typing shit in a note taking program as you record.
Thereâs no need to make a video at all if you donât have the skills/resources. People can make blog posts, websites, posts on forums or sites like this very one where they just type out the text and include screenshots or short video clips where necessary.
And there are plenty of people with negative levels of video production skills and bad voices still fucking doing it anyway.
There is no situation where using AI voice is actually necessary to get the information out.
The difference is the amount of effort expended on the video. If you actually make the video yourself, you want a good return on your time. That means - usually - that you donât want the majority of your comments to be about how your facts are wrong, because you want people to come back and watch more of your videos.
AI channels, on the other hand, donât care at all. They donât need subscribers. They donât need likes. Theyâre just putting out high volumes of crap content with clickbait titles to get whatever scraps they can sucker out of people. They know they wonât ever get recurring visitors, so they donât need to fact-check anything. And AI has made it so that they can churn out this content ridiculously fast and make it nearly indistinguishable from quality content at first glance, at minimal cost.
If it takes you hours to make your video, Iâm more likely to want to hear what youâre saying. AI videos are an attack against our attention; it takes less effort to make than it does to consume, now, and the quality of the content reflects that.
The point of these LLM videos isnât to provide information, but to farm clicks. Theyâre full of completely made up nonsense mixed with info copied and reworded from real sources.
As an example, when I search for info about the Canon R7 Mark II (a rumored upcoming camera), they seem to paraphrase Canonrumors articles, but the image âslideshowâ makes no sense, and they add in all sorts of straight up impossible assertions and specs. But the uploader doesnât care because theyâve uploaded thousands of these, and a few might make them some nickels.
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Internet is not dying, it is being murdered
It is being sacrificed to the dying screams of capitalism, to squeeze one final drop of profit from its corpse.
Itâs been going to shit for years, but it is almost incomprehensible how quickly it has fallen in the last 6-12 months. If I try to find any review/comparison in an attempt to be a somewhat informed consumer, and itâs just all slop.
We need a browser extension with a whitelist for accounts that are either verified, or created before 2022. If the extension gets popular and people start buying old accounts to post spam on, then it would also need a blacklist for confirmed spammers.
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I would pay for this.
Yeah this is a huge problem now. Ai generated bullshit has ruined YouTube and it was already ruined by too much garbage.
Letâs hope places like Lemmy stay relevant, vivid and slop-proof.
I think itâs always going to be a migration from place to place. As people find genuine places to talk to each other industrialists will find a way to pollute and destroy it.
âVersusâ videos or articles in general seem to be especially susceptible to being awful garbage
Top [number] [product/place] in [year].
Real travel videos for niche places are so annoying to find now.
Good luck finding a review of a niche product category among the slop lists.
Iâve really been enjoying https://youtube.com/@ririregine
Youtube is already pretty bad anyways. Adding LLM tools and similar, as a local saying goes, is just a fart to who already shat him/herself.
Canât wait for YouTube to fuck up media hosting for everyone because the ai theyâve been pushing is flooding their servers.
Truly, who could have seen this coming?
on the bright side: maybe peertube will actually take off
i love the two generic handsome white dudes, who the fuck sees that kind of guy and thinks âah yes thatâs the ideal source for computer adviceâ rather than âoh iâve never seen those football teams beforeâ
I personally think Mormon or they want to steal my organs and/or my credit card information. But Iâve got a list of problems and being trusting ainât one, I blame CPS.
Yeah, if the person Iâm watching isnât a poorly dressed hobo vlogging himself strolling through the woods, itâs shit information.
Thereâs this amazing series of videos I found when looking for some notes and advice for working on my vintage Honda motorcycle. The dude was literally in a shed in the woods, and in between his moments of gearhead genius, he would tell amazing, random stories about his life and philosophies. It was just this guy hanging out in a big shed in the woods, working on old bikes. The videos were like an hour and a half of him just wrenching and dumping wisdom. They only had like 500-1000 views each and I was honestly flabbergasted that he didnât gave some big cult fandom.
I gotta go find those and watch them again. Thanks for reminding me.
I think they are just going with the meta that people tend to click on videos that have faces on the thumbnail. They were just lazy on what face they put on there.
well yeah thatâs kind of my point, i get putting faces on there but it kinda backfires when that face looks like theyâd call you a nerd for even knowing that linux exists
Short form videos are especially flooded with slop and AI voice summaries of movie plots and DIY hacks. Its depressing, but also Iâd like to cut back on my mindless content watching and maybe this is the motivation I need.
Imo, just try something out. Fedora has a live USB that you can use to try out drivers, look/feel, etc. See if it meets your needs.
CachyOS also has a live USB.
But Iâd actually go a step further. Install both in a VM using their flagship DE. CachyOSâs installer actually comes with many different DEs and window managers, so you should be able to get the look and feel of many different setups there, too.
No, not dying. Evolving, adapting to new developments. It is our job to oppose the ones that are not in our interest. The only way we can do is reject these. Unfortunately YT is a lost battle b/c they do not allow downvoting or blocking. In the search results or related videos they are peddling the same AI shit, without people being able to block channels.
If anything, it is YouTube that is dying. No worries though, the Internet will provide something else in its place.
If youâre wondering about Fedora vs CachyOS, it comes down to what you do on your PC. And what youâre used to.
If you want better âpreconfigurationâ for graphics stuff, CachyOS is the way to go. With Fedora you will end up referencing and maintaining a whole lot more yourself, while the CachyOS maintainers basically do all that maintinance and config optimization for you.
But Fedora might be better for a less GPU-focused âworkstationâ type system.
Generally, Iâd look at the âstyleâ and interests of distro maintainers. CachyOS is built by a collective of linux gaming/compute enthusiasts that snowballed into popularity, though it does inherit all the work from Arch. Fedora is a long standing workstation/server workhorse, a âpre releaseâ for Red Hat enterprise linux.
well ⌠what would you like to know?
Currently on Kubuntu and I love it, but keen to see if thereâs a better KDE desktop out there.
Fedora seems great, but is it stable enough to also recommend to friends?
Q: Is Fedora more stable than *buntu?
A: By magnitudes, yes
Why do you say this? (asking out of ignorance)
Fedora or OpenSuSE are what Iâd suggest for kde (or just generally speaking).
@AnUnusualRelic @Ek-Hou-Van-Braai you light want to try #mageia10 đ
Iâve been running Fedora with KDE on both my Thinkpad and gaming desktop for like 6 months. I like it a lot.
It might not be my first choice to recommend to Linux-cautious friends, it stays pretty bleeding edge in terms of updates, which might occasionally cause a little chaos.
You are partially right. It sucks that the first 3 reviews are slop, but after that is mostly human stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLaKmCmar3E
Also. You can use one of the third-party YouTube clients available for Linux to have more way to filter off content and ads (sadly It wonât filter off the Ai slop, at least for now). One of the most used is Piped.
https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped
https://piped.wireway.ch/trending
I found this video thanks, itâs heavily focused on gaming though, which isnât thaaaat important to me, but good to know.
Both are wonderful. I still recommend Fedora to most new users, but I decided to test drive CachyOS almost year ago and then never went back. Cachy is so cozy.
Real persons do not use Linux.
I should have seen the lack of a neck beard and known itâs fake
Why would you even search YouTube for that sort of thing? Videos are a terrible format for communicating informationally dense topics.
I like consuming videos, Maybe itâs the ADHD.
Often when I eat or in the background while I juggle doing 3/4 other things at the same time
I get that, but when looking for specific information I donât have the patience to wait for some slowpoke babbling and going off on tangents. I want information, not fluff.
Eh, Itâs nice to see someone showcase things in a video format. Itâs sometimes hard to find the right blog and ones that arenât opinionated.
I donât JUST watch videos to learn things, I google, check Forums, ask AI, watch videos etc. and then try to form a picture based on all the info I have